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That is part of the explanation Paul gives in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 of how salvation occurs. We are chosen from the beginning for salvation. Then, God Holy Spirit sets us apart which leads to faith in the truth which is a reference to the gospel of Jesus Christ. So, no, I’m not mistaken but...

Well, I would never get between a man and hot coffee. Sounds quite nice. Peace to you

And yet you are still posting toward me? And yes, you are being rude and arrogant and condescending, but those are issues you need to take up with God. :) Peace to you

Ok, I do understand what you are saying, but the context of 2 Thessalonians 2:13 does not support the idea of a sanctification “plan” being spoken of. Peace to you

No, if I had accomplished my “mission” you would look at the passage with an open mind and attempt to understand it in the context in which it was written. Peace to you

It depends on the context in which it was written, like every other passage. Sorry you can’t comprehend that, buts that’s a problem you have to come to terms with on your own. Peace to you

God didn’t make the statements, you did. I don’t have a problem understanding the passage. You have decided to be snarky instead of engaging in a thoughtful discussion. Therefore, you should simply disengage from this thread and only post where others with like minds will pat you on the back...

The Greek word “sanctify” means “set apart.” The word “holy” also means set apart. You are using it as “purify”, which is not the context of 2 Thessalonians 2:13. Peace to you

You claimed “Calvinism” had been blown out of the water centuries ago. I asked you when that happened and who did the blowing. You asked me to read the 2 Thessalonians 2:13 passage the way you understand it. I cannot do that, because that is not what the passage says. I am obligated to read...

You are misunderstanding the word “sanctify”. It literally means to be set apart. In the context of 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Paul is explaining how the salvation occurs, not how the choosing occurs. We are sanctified (set apart) by God Holy Spirit which leads to faith in the truth. Peace to you

I will always read it the way Paul intended it to be read, in the context in which it was written. I am always open to being convinced by scripture. I understood the doctrines of grace long before I ever heard of John Calvin or Calvinism, so I reject your attempted slur and urge you to keep...

Paul is teaching the individuals are predestined, not that the “plan” was predestined. Peace to you

I certainly have never heard the doctrines of grace were “blown out of the water” many centuries ago. Perhaps you could enlighten me about when that happened and who did the blowing? I do know what scripture very clearly teaches about the doctrines of grace and I will always believe scripture...

That may be true, but that is not what 2 Thessalonians 2 says. You reading into the passage what you want it to say. I do appreciate you addressing the passage with honest discussion. We will just disagree. Peace to you

You missing crucial elements in the passage. I agree Paul is speaking to believers. That changes nothing about what is taught. According to Paul, these believers were chosen from the beginning for salvation. That is a complete thought. The passage does not say, as you maintain, that God...

“From the Beginning” in Jewish thought, refers to Genesis. As I have stated in numerous occasions, when you are presented with the Truth of scripture, in context, that demonstrates your error, you attempt to change the meanings of the words to fit your secular philosophy, or you ignore key...

Very clearly revealed from the text of scripture found in 2 Thessalonians. Your secular philosophy has blinded you to the truth. Having eyes, you cannot see. Having ears, you cannot hear. Having a brain, you cannot think rationally. Everything is viewed through the lens of your man centered...

Order of “Divine Grace” found in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14… 1. Chosen from the beginning for salvation by God 2..Sanctified (set apart) by God Holy Spirit for salvation 3. Faith in the truth of Jesus Christ In v.14, the mention of being “called” to this very thing is to emphasize the...

I do not deny the necessity of the gospel in salvation but you do every time you claim many are saved having never heard the gospel. And again, I will never need a lecture from you concerning how to understand scripture because your error denies the necessity of the gospel in salvation so don’t...

Well, sorry, that is simply untrue. 10 million butterflies flapping their wings won’t affect weather patterns. They won’t even change the direction of the wind even slightly. The biggest influence, by far, on weather patterns is sunspot activity. The heating and cooling of oceans due to...