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I am seeing that God has elected to provide salvation for all that a man and woman through the natural process has decided to conceive and the number is not fixed in eternity past. This seems to be the correct Baptist teaching and the number seems to be in the hands of the man and woman.

What I am seeing here is God has made us all subject to natural laws and his regulation of them. He holds us accountable for manipulation of those laws for our own ends outside of his will. Example; Gen 38 where God killed a man for doing that. I am not seeing determinism in that act.

Biblical teaching and doctrinal evidence indicates that the will of God is large families. We have lots of Reformed where I live and I know several of them. Most of them have about 2 children. If he, God, really determines all things according to his character and no one can change it, shouldn't...

I am here to help you, not to harm you. The conclusions you have posted concerning these people should convince anyone that you have not read the book and followed the time lines given. Neither have you considered the time of the prophecy and it's division of past present and future that John...

The key to understanding the scriptures is 1) Believe the words, and 2) honor the context. This is something that Calvinism does not promote. They bow the knee to intellectualism and their philosophy comes from their confessions, it seems to me. They are not critical thinkers inside their box...

They also make up terms like "sovereign" grace, "Limited" atonement, "total Depravity," "irresistible grace," "the sovereignty of God," to name a few, and they reverse many of the doctrines like faith and grace, making the order or salvation by faith through grace rather than by grace through...

My opinion on the op: This is a works based religion that is being presented here. Since there is no proof that can be offered by the ones claiming they are one of the particular elect, to salvation, then it stands that their only proof is their own works. Their salvation is not by faith. The...

You must at some point think for yourself.

You and I surely agree that the issue is what the scriptures teach us. It is the reason I brought up the Samaritan woman in John 4. And when you say that every born anew gentile is a child of promise I would be quick to say I agree if we are both speaking of the promise of the Abrahamic covenant...

Just out of curiosity, Fan, why are you telling me this?

Well, Van, most Christians, I think, do not doubt the Abrahamic Covenant that establishes Israel as the people of God because they do not like or trust Jews, it is because their teachers generally teach systematic theologies that are false because they do not believe the words of the...

As far as I can tell, Hosea was a contemporary of Isaiah, both being prophets under the same kings and at the same times, but Isaiah being a prophet of Judah and Jerusalem and Hosea a prophet to Ephraim. The time frame when Hosea began to preach seems to be about 30 years before their dispersion...

I do not know Mike but I do not agree with him in the context you have posted. Maybe there is a larger context. The WORD is set forth in the Godhead as a person in John 1. Why is it so hard for you to believe that be is still the word on earth. Isn’t that the point?

Logos, I don't think you understand the word of God and how precise it is and I do not think you understand why Jesus is called in the NT, the WORD. In the same context he then says the WORD was made flesh. Which of these descriptions do not fit the Lord Jesus, the flesh or the WORD, in your...

Dave, I have given a right smart of thought about your biblical position you posit in your comments. I am going to call you a moderate Calvinist, but a Calvinist nevertheless. So I am going to present this post to demonstrate that it is the Calvinist theologians that you are believing and not...

I have given some thought to your reasoning here Dave and I think this post highlights what is wrong with Calvinism and why it should be rejected as the Christian faith. You have not used your great IQ that God blessed you with to reason out what happened to those apostles on the day that Jesus...

I don't think you and Mr Flowers are right about that, Dave. If there is one thing about the Christian faith that is non negotiable it is the person and work of Jesus Christ. The resurrection of Jesus Christ marked the transition from Law to Promise as it pertained to salvation of the Jews...

I would have liked your answer to my post to have been the Calvinistic rebuttal to my presentation of the resurrected Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, giving these apostles proof of his resurrection by showing them his wounds so they would know that he had physically come out of the tomb where...

I think the difference in theological views among some is the failure to understand and define biblical terms. I think Calvinists like yourself mis-define salvation and what it is and what happens when a sinner is saved. Earlier you said that one must have the Spirit of God before they can have...

I do not have a clue why you would teach that one who responds to God's offer of salvation to someone who needs it and for whom he has provided it is somehow not an act of the grace of God. Whether this one who needs it receives it or rejects it does not negate the fact that God is dispensing...