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    Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour !

    '...Whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved' (Joel 2:32; Romans 10:13). There are no ifs and no buts there. No one who has repented of his sins and trusted in Christ for salvation will be turned away (John 6:37). When a preacher calls on people to trust in Christ, he should never...
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    Satisfaction Atonement

    @JonC, Once again, you are switching - away from Scripture alone, to your 'Classic View.' Now what do you want? Do you want to discuss what the Scriptures say or do you want to plough through the ECFs and others again? I will repeat what I wrote earlier: Now then. What will prove PSA in...
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    Study 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    I think you are misunderstanding the timeline of Luke 13:24ff. Look at verse 24 in the light of verse 25, and you will hopefully get the idea. In fact our Lord promises that everyone who seeks, finds etc. (Matt. 7:7-11). The only qualification is that the verbs are in the Present tense, which...
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    Satisfaction Atonement

    When you claim that you alone have the true version A of the truth and that far better and greater men than you or I believe versions B,C,D or E, then you are showing appalling arrogance and someone has to challenge you on it. Now then. What will prove PSA in your eyes? It seems to me that...
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    Old Covenant?

    I don't see how these "most theologians" can recognize that. Hebrews 8:10-12. 'For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God and they shall be My...
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    Satisfaction Atonement

    Your arrogance is almost beyond belief! Originally you claimed you were following God's words and chided us all for not believing the Bible. When it was pointed out to you that God's word supports PSA, you claimed to be following the ECFs. When it was shown that the ECFs mostly believed in...
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    Satisfaction Atonement

    Very good! Also, when, towards the end of his life when he was trying to bring comfort to a dying believer troubled by his sense of sinfulness, and fearful of judgment, Anselm counselled him to cry out to God, '"Lord, I place the death of Your Lord Jesus Christ between me and Thy judgment; in...
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    Satisfaction Atonement

    So you think, and so did the Galatians. Yet Paul says to them, "You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth?" (Gal. 5:7, NIV).
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    Satisfaction Atonement

    I have provided two. Yes I do. That is why God Himself, in the Person of Jesus Christ has shed His own blood (Acts 20:28) forthe salvation of sinners. But you are aping the objections of Stuart Murray Williams and Tom Smail. But the Biblical writers don't share your concerns. Peter 2:23...
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    Satisfaction Atonement

    This is just too pathetic to deserve an answer. The Biblical text says exactly what I believe it says, and I have given two examples to prove it. I have explained those texts, but you are blinded by your own prejudices.
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    If God is Not Sovereign, Then There is No Grace

    You helped me this evening. I was leading a prayer meeting at my church and was looking for a Christmas-themed word to start the meeting. 1 Timothy 1:15 came to mind from our discussion. 'This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save...
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    If God is Not Sovereign, Then There is No Grace

    @Silverhair, Just in case you missed it: Matthew 1:21. '....And you shall call His name JESUS, for He shall save His people from their sins.' Obviously this does not contradict Eph. 2:8, but The Lord Jesus does not make salvation possible - He saves! Another Christmas text for you: "For there...
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    Old Covenant?

    The difference between the old and new covenants is that the old was conditional and the new is unconditional. Compare Heb. 8:9 with 8:11. 'For they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 'The most prominent feature of the Sinaitic ('first,' 'old') covenant is the...
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    If God is Not Sovereign, Then There is No Grace

    Here's a nice Christmas quote for you. Matthew 1:21. '....And you shall call His name JESUS, for He shall save His people from their sins.'
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    Satisfaction Atonement

    :rolleyes: You cannot see PSA because you have persuaded yourself it's not there and have blinded your eyes to it, exactly as JWs and Unitarians do the the doctrine of the Trinity. I expect they call is the Theory of the Trinity. Penal Substitution is all over the Bible eg. Romans 3:25-26...
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    Satisfaction Atonement

    Penal Subtitution was there in the Binle long before Calvin, and long before Satisfaction Atonement, as I have shown several times.
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    Satisfaction Atonement

    The Reformers corrected 'Satisfaction theory,' and by going back to the Bible were able to point to the truth of Penal Substitution. Not that PSA was a new doctrine; it was well-known in the early Church as I have shown elsewhere. I can post the relevant quotations from the ECFs again if...
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    Satisfaction Atonement

    What happened to 'In Adam all die, but in Christ all shall be made alive' (1 Cor. 15:22)? 'Therefore just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned' (Rom. 5:12). Yes, praise God! Though Calvin was by no means the...
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    Satisfaction Atonement

    “Although man had remained immaculately innocent, yet his condition would have been too mean for him to approach to God without a Mediator. What, then, can he do, after having been plunged by his fatal fall into death and hell, defiled with so many blasphemies, putrefying in his own corruptions...
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