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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    I have answered this so many times. It was what God did. 'He was pierced for our transgressions.' Pierced by whom? By God (Isaiah 53:10 etc.). If you only look at the text of Scripture as you claim, why are you even asking the question? But to give the answer once again, if He had not done...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Well then, again I ask you why you are not a Roman Catholic. 'This is My body.' It's in the Biblical text, more than once. Why don't you believe it? I do not believe that Jesus suffered God's wrath if you mean by that that God was angry with Him.. :Rolleyes Once again, it was God Himself...
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    The Perfect Church

    Hi @Ascetic X Welcome to the BB. :) I think it's really important to be a member of a church (Hebrews 10:25), and I'm sorry to hear that you have had bad experiences. As a Brit, I can't really advise you, but I do suggest that you not be too picky. There is a saying that if you ever find a...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    The simple answer here is that I don't have a "philosophy." I just seek to understand and apply the Scriptures. I'm not sure that your understanding of the Scriptures is sane.:Tongue Well you should be, because that is NOT my understanding. Because I look at a whole variety of Scriptures and...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    @JonC, Don't you think you owe the board an explanation, if not an apology? Do you think that Calvinism is another form of Roman Catholicism or don't you? Why should we believe anything you say when you contradict yourself in less than a day?
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Because that is what the Bible teaches. If God wanted to do things another way, He would have done it another way. But at the same time, as I have pointed out to you many times, God cannot deny Himself. If His word says, as it does, that He is 'by no means clearing the guilty,' that means...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Post #92. Post #101. Don't you think you owe the board just a teensy-weensy apology for misleading it?
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I think you'll find that you did, on this very thread, less than 24 hours ago in your post #92. Here you are! Are you suffering from short-term memory loss, or are you being deceitful? The law makes no "demands" on God. He gave the law! And God will not deny Himself (2 Timothy 2:13). God...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Of course God forgives those who trust in Christ and repent. But it is only on the basis that Christ has taken our sins upon Himself and paid the penalty for them It's in the Biblical text as I have shown you several times. My belief is in the Bible. You can't tell me what you think the...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    It is, of course, in the text - several times. You just won't accept them which is your problem, not mine. However, see below. And I have asked you what the Bible says and you can't tell me. It is very poor theology to demand a verse that proves something. As I have asked you before, why...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Well, perhaps I missed them. Perhaps you will repeat them and at the same time give us references so that we can look them up on line. I have previously said that I have read very little of the Institutes. I have read a few of his commentaries and some of his sermons. I never automatically...
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    1JN.2:2...A.W.Pink

    When John writes 'my liitle children,' surely it is clear that he is writing to believers? When our Lord addresses the scribes and Pharisees as a 'brood of vipers,' surely it is obvious that he is NOT speaking to believers? What the two groups had in common was that, according to Pink, they...
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    Why Provisionism Is Not Biblical

    I believe that Flowers was on the website when I first joined. He had a nom de plume and I can't remember what it was. I agree that Flowers does seem to be Pelagian.
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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    [continued from previous post] 5. On the Cross we can see the end of all our sins. ‘And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all’ (Isaiah 53:6). If my iniquities have been laid upon Christ they are no longer on me. To be sure, there is still sin in me for I still carry the relic of my...
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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    There are seven things that we may see finished, paid, fulfilled or accomplished on the cross. 1. On the cross we may see the fulfilment of all the prophesies which had been written of the Messiah in the Old Testament. He was ‘Despised and rejected of men’ (Isaiah 53:3); ‘Hated without a...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    You have to limit the atonement in some way. If our Lord is a ransom for every single person, why are some not ransomed? If He bought with His life, the 'guy heading for swift destruction,' why do some guys still head there? You are limiting the atonement to those who believe or you are saying...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I think you are talking through your hat. I don't think you have ever heard of the Justinian Law Codes, or what they mean. You have not provided a single word from Calvin himself to back up your claim, and even if you did, Penal Substitution doesn't come from Calvin, it comes from the Bible...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    First of all you need to understand that the Justinian Law Codes were the basis for all legal codes for most, if not all, nation states as they developed over the years. The Emperor Justinian was some sort of Christian and the law codes developed the older Augustinian codes in what Justinian...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    All this is a question of philosophy. Thank you for laying out yours. But since you have told me what I believe :Roflmao, without ever quoting anything I have posted, why do you need me to comment further? You need to defend your position from Scripture, but that seems to be very difficult for...
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