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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I have certainly criticized people who quote large portions of Scripture without saying what they think the portions mean, as well as those who keep talking about Scripture without ever quoting it. If you stick to that, you will not go far wrong. Great. Do you mean pagan Roman law or the...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    You seem to believe that changing your mind makes you clever. It is not necessarily so (Gal. 3:1). Your smugness does you no credit. You are simply ignoring what is in Scripture FYI, I have read very little indeed of Calvin, and what I have read is mostly his sermons (which are excellent...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I only just saw this post. What Christians believe is that 'by His wounds we are healed.' I seem to recall reading that in the Bible somewhere. Our sins can be laid upon the Lord Jesus; they can be taken away. Why can they not be transferred? Nonsense! It accomplishes everything. You are...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I do not think you will find anyone here who will disagree that the Lord Jesus died for our sins according to the Scriptures. The issue is, what does this statement actually mean? It will be really helpful if you will tell us what you think it means. It bothers me when you do that.
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I was thinking of Trypho the Jew in his debate with Justin Martyr. He said, " Be assured that all our nation waits for Christ; and we admit that all the Scriptures which you have quoted refer to him. Moreover, I do also admit that the name of Jesus, by which the son of [Nun] was called, has...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I think you'll find that the doctrine is Christus Victor, not Christis Victor. I did point out that the claim that Christ died "under the power of Satan" is spurious and cannot be found anywhere in the Bible. It seems to be part of the tradition that you hold. The fact is that you are...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I agree that we must be honest. I included in my comment the fact that Christus Victor supporters believe that Christ defeated Satan. But if you believe that Christ suffered the punishment of Satan, you are believing something that is not in the Bible. The Bible makes it clear that it was God...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    This is not entirely true, is it? Not so log ago on this forum, you mentioned a string of 'guys' who turned out to be Mennonites, and even Menno Simon himself, despite his shakiness on the Trinity.
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    This is exactly right. The Christus Victor theory is correct as far as it goes. Who believes in Christus Loser? But it cannot explain how God can be just in justifying sinners. It is incomplete without the Doctrine of Penal Substitution. So the Biblical position is to agree that Christ did...
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    The Enemies Of The Cross of Christ:

    Yes they do! Because you are too blind to see it does not mean that no one else can.
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    The Enemies Of The Cross of Christ:

    I have no time to write as much as I would wish. If it is @JonC's purpose to avalaunch me with posts, he is succeeding. However, I will quickly respond to this: You mean like, quoting the Bible. Well yes, I do that. Guilty as charged. Surprise, surprise! You mean apart from Romans 3:25-26...
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    The Enemies Of The Cross of Christ:

    I agree with this. The 1689 Confession begins with the statement that, The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain and infallible rule of all saving knowledge and faith. @JonC does not agree with the 1689 Confession. @JonC is not qualified to speak for Calvinists. God was really...
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    The Enemies Of The Cross of Christ:

    When I was first saved, I read the Bible voraciously, as I still do. The church I attended when I was saved I soon found to be doctrine-lite, though it claimed to believe "just the Bible" (something I have personally found to be totally hopeless as there is no agreement as to what the Bible...
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    The Enemies Of The Cross of Christ:

    You have managed to write seven paragraphs without telling us anything. How does Christ dying on the cross reconcile mankind to God? How does the cross reconcile man to God? How has His death broken the power of Satan? I know, but I don't think you do. Just saying "Jesus is the way" tells...
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    The Enemies Of The Cross of Christ:

    You are correct that I live in England and that there is a time difference between here and the USA. But that is not a big part of the reason I don't keep posting here. I have duties at my church, and in fact I am preaching in about an hour from now, with another to prepare for next week, not...
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    The Enemies Of The Cross of Christ:

    That is because you seem unable to express yourself Why? Why? Why, if God can simply sort the whole matter out by giving us new birth and forgiving our sins? What need for Jesus?
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    The Enemies Of The Cross of Christ:

    Do you? Really? When I see you bouncing up and down on Ezekiel 18 like a trampoline, I tend to doubt it. So God doesn't have to follow His own rules in the O.T.? Is that what you're saying? God cannot lie (Titus 1:2) and He cannot deny Himself (2 Tim. 2:13), not because He can't do what He...
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    The Enemies Of The Cross of Christ:

    I don't think you'll find I did. What you miss is that all the way through the Old Covenant, the various Levitical offerings were still being offered. 'Without the shedding of blood there is no remission.' Once again, you do not appear to know what to do with Christ crucified. I insist on...
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    The Enemies Of The Cross of Christ:

    If you mean by your last sentence that repentance and faith are gifts of God, then I agree with you. But the fact is that God requires something more than repentance, the New Birth and so forth. 'Without the shedding of blood there is no remission' (Heb. 9:22). I have quoted a couple of times...
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