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    What is Propitiation and is it really the heart of the gospel?

    Questioning my salvation again. But it's OK; I couldn't care less (Proverbs 26:2).
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    What is Propitiation and is it really the heart of the gospel?

    I think it might be as well to pause there for a moment. 1 Peter 2:24. 'Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree.' Peter uses the word xulon, 'tree' instead of stauron, 'cross.' In the light of Deut. 21:22-23 and Gal. 3:13, our Lord not only bore our sins in His own body, but...
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    What is Propitiation and is it really the heart of the gospel?

    Great! You believe in Penal Substitution :D Hang on a moment! You wanted a single verse of Scripture just now. When I give you a single verse, you want the whole BIble written out! Make your mind up! So you are now questioning my salvation. You know what? I really don't care. You can't...
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    What is Propitiation and is it really the heart of the gospel?

    Excuse me! When have I ever denied that Christ is the Propitiation?
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    What is Propitiation and is it really the heart of the gospel?

    I have done it over and over again. You demand one verse, but you are unable to provide one verse that even mentions the word 'Trinity' and no single verse that proves it You say that the concept of the Trinity is found throughout the Bible, and so it is, plenteously. But it is not found so...
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    What is Propitiation and is it really the heart of the gospel?

    We definitely need a head-banging emoji. All you can do is play silly word games. Paul did not write 'propitiation,' 'expiation' or 'appeasement.' These are words that theologians and linguists use to try to express what hilasterion, which is what he did write, means. But the point is that...
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    What is Propitiation and is it really the heart of the gospel?

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: That Penal Substitution is clearly Biblical has been proved over and over again. Your problem is that your pride won't lt you admit that you are entirely wrong and so the arguments go on for year after year. I am frankly sick of it. The only reason I...
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    What is Propitiation and is it really the heart of the gospel?

    Oh boy! Well, when I see the guy again I'll send him round to you and you can explain the exact mathematical equation that gives the smallest possible bunch of flowers for the biggest apology. That should save him a pile of money! Where's the head-banging emogi? Don't you undrstad the...
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    What is Propitiation and is it really the heart of the gospel?

    I think we're both right. :) I will explain propitiation as it was explained to me many years ago. If you were to see some big rough, burly chap waliking along the road carrying a bunch of flowers, you might stop and ask him, "What are those flowers for?" If he was a Londoner he might reply...
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    What is Propitiation and is it really the heart of the gospel?

    Packer is right on the money! Of course he reminds us that "the best of men are men at best," but 'where there is no counsel, the people fall; but in the multitude of counselors there is safety' (Prov. 11:14). I expect you, @DaveXR650 , will have read his introduction to Owen's Death of Death...
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    Is the popular song "In Christ Alone" sound in all it's lyrics?

    That hymn is a firm favourite at my church and is sung quite often. IMO, it is one of the best modern hymns. I am preaching on Galatians 3:10-14 next week. Coming to vs. 13 we see three things: 1. We were under the law's curse. The curse is the outworking of God's wrath or righteous anger...
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    The Biblical Basis for Penal Substitution, part 2

    :rolleyes: Pagan sacrifices were/are also about obedience. Exodus 12:13. 'When I see the blood, I will pass over you.' Why? Because the blood on the doorposts signified that the creature had died, and also that the Israelites were trusting in that death to make atonement for them. The...
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    The Biblical Basis for Penal Substitution, part 2

    Nope. It was the faith of the Israelites who applied the blood to the doorposts. Having a meal of roast lamb saves no one. So the Lord Jesus didn't need to die? Would it have been enough if He had bled for a while? I don't think so. '....Because He poured out His soul unto death.' 'While...
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    The Biblical Basis for Penal Substitution, part 2

    Well actually, it does say that the blood makes atonement for one's life. What it doesn't say is that the altar makes atonement for one's life. It appears from v.7 that the Israelites had been making sacrifices that were not specifically to the LORD but, apparently, to false gods and demons...
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    The Biblical Basis for Penal Substitution, part 2

    Yes indeed! It really is that simple.
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    The Biblical Basis for Penal Substitution, part 2

    Hang on a minute! We didn't agree just now. So now you agree that the shedding of blood is the actual atonement as per Lev. 17:11? Rightly so. 'The life of the flesh is in the blood' (good ol' Lev. 17:11 again). When the blood is poured out, it is a sign that the creature (or Christ - John...
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    Good Morning all, All glory to Jesus Christ our Lord!!!!

    Welcome to the Baptist board :) May God bless you too.
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    The Biblical Basis for Penal Substitution, part 2

    Perhaps you would like to list these so that we know what you think they are. Well it does. 'Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief.' If that is not punishment, what is it? 'The LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.' You take the two texts together (they are...
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    The Biblical Basis for Penal Substitution, part 2

    Lev. 17:11. 'For it is the blood that makes atonement for your souls.' You are hopelessly at sea here, tied up in your own faulty philosophy. You fail to understand the meaning of the sacrifices. We all know that 'it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins'...
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