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I've done my best to stay out of those endless arguments on this matter, but since you ask politely, here is what I believe, and this is standard evangelical theology. Christ "died for our sins" (1 Cor. 15:3). The word "for" is the Greek preposition ὑπὲρ, with the object "sins" in the genitive...

Summarized with one word: atonement. :)

I completely agree. I worked my way through college in a dirty factory. That makes my college education much more valuable to me than if the government had paid for it. :Coffee

All of this is true, but there was only one thing fulfilled when Jesus said "It is finished." The verb was 3rd person singular, not plural, so Jesus had only one thing in mind when He made that statement on the cross.

Lantz's third objection to the KJV is Acts 5:30. He gives the following quotes: Acts 5:30 (KJV) says, “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.” Acts 5:30 (NASB) says, "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross.”...

This is a terrible attempt by the federal government to control religion. I imagine that at the very first lawsuit, the Supreme Court would overturn it, but in the meantime it can do great harm. Having said that, our college and seminary avoids the whole problem by: 1. Not taking any...

I agree. I am mystified that someone would think anything other than the blood atonement of Christ was being finished.

I have both of these and have perused them. He did a fair job. I respect him for actually becoming a translation consultant and visiting many fields to help. Judging by his Greek grammar, he knows Greek pretty well. When a KJVO person meets missionary Bible translation, they are forced to...

So, not the atonement being finished?

Don't know what "sticking your chest out" is either. Thank you. Have a great vacation. So then you can't say that Bible translators don't know theology, can you. Then there is D. A. Carson, who does both quite well. I know many missionary translators, and all are competent in theology. That...

Yes, that would describe my position. Non-KJVO: my college and seminary (baptistcollege.org), Maranatha Baptist U. and Seminary, Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary, Central Baptist Theological Seminary (in Minnesota). I understand that Pensacola Christian College is TR only; don't know if...

I saw no other reason for the long and involved posts you are giving me. I haven't said that much to respond to. I "puffed up"? What does that even mean? All you had to say was that you took graduate level Greek and I would respect that. I wasn't getting that from your posts. But again, I've...

Don't know. The name "Ed Morris" sounds familiar. There was one young man (him? don't know) who was with the opposition, but when he became a pastor himself he saw how wrong he had been and wrote a letter of apology to Dad--which didn't impress Dad much. Yeah, I remember playing and singing a...

You apparently want me to join your many discussions about the atonement--or whatever. I have no interest in doing that at all. I've had my say here, so I'll move on.

I don't believe it is the suffering, but the atonement. Everything must be according to context, but there is not enough context to be adamant of the meaning of "It." You don't know the Greek, do you? So don't speak authoritatively about it, please, as in "The only reason...."

I had a pastor friend who went on a trip, and his assistant baptized for the first time. He goofed, and said the words while holding the old guy under. When the pastor came back, he said, "Are you glad you're baptized?" The old guy said, "I'm just happy to be alive!" :Biggrin

To my knowledge, Southside BC ceased to exist, maybe as a judgment from God about how they treated my Dad. (One leader against my Dad died of cancer, another in a car accident, etc.) So probably New Hope BC just bought the building. We lived in the parsonage back on the property, which was 7...

I visited the church back in the day, and knew the pastor, but I don't remember anything about a Bible college there. As far as I remember, the church was SBC, but leaned IFB, so that would explain their felt need to have a Bible college.

I have absolutely no desire to get into the Cal/Arm debates. That would be paraphrase, so no. Nobody does that. There is no contextual basis for it. Yes, "It is finished." That is required in Optimal Equivalence, which I follow. If by "clarify" you are talking about translation, I teach in...

I'm a Lifeline Bible Only advocate! ;) That is the Japanese NT translation from the TR that I was the lead translator for. (We were in Japan for 33 years.) This is the only modern Japanese NT from the TR, not from critical Greek texts. My team is now working on the Lifeline OT. My point is that...