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Greetings percho. I hope your week has been a good one. Your ending question seems to be constructed in a way that implies (or logically ends with) the notion that the purpose for creating this world was for the devil (to destroy him). Something I don't think is found is scripture. The Bible...

Greetings JesusFan. Always good to see your posts. I think Barth did some good analysis. Although, like every theologian, I don't think he got it all right. The topic of Universalism being one I think he got wrong. There are other points also I disagree with Barth. But I'll refrain. :)...

Greetings Van. Thank you for your thoughts and wisdom. I agree. Sticking to my analysis in the OP (not that I'm denying yours), one of Christ's purposes was to put all things under His foot so that His death, the dying for the whole of humanity (again, one purpose), provides a means of...

Greetings again Dave. I agree. God could have destroyed Satan (or even Adam and Eve) immediately. Here I'm not sure I agree. I'd have to hear more to know for sure. Yes. I agree. The only change I would make is in the last part of the sentence. I would end the thought with "...by...

Hello JesusFan. Thank you for your critique. Much appreciated I agree...and I do not intent this. I also agree.. and I do not intend this either. Peace brother

My apologies Piper.

Greetings again to all in this thread. Thank you for sharpening me and correcting me when you think it is needed. I thought, to help shed light on the OP, I might zoom out and provide an overall structure to the assertion that one of the purposes of the Incarnation was to destroy the power of...

Greetings Dave. Always good to have a conversation with you. Well, I suppose everyone's ideas come from their particular point of view. However, more to what you mean...the overall assertion seems to be more from my studies than any theologian in particular. Although I dare not take credit...

Greetings again atpollard. Thank you again for commenting and critiquing what I had written. I haven't thought of it that way. That is, like a "prevenient grace". I suppose that analogy could be used. Also, I think the last part is more on point with one exception. That exception being...

Greetings to you atpollard. Peace to you and your family. Yes, regarding your quote above. I might add, to make clear I am not asserting Universalism (that all are saved). I am asserting that (A) Christ came for multiple purposes. For example, (1) Christ came to "efficiently" die for the...

Greetings Martin. Peace to you brother. (b), (c), and (d) are just place holders that represent the totality of (W). They represent all mankind. Hope this helps.

Greetings and blessings to all my brothers from all denominations. I hope your week has started out well. I first would like to apologize for the length of this post. I concluded that shortening it would limit its full effect and understanding. As we all know, there is a common debate...

Greetings Nolan. Thank you for your post. I hope your weekend was a blessed one. If we look at Romans 1 then one would conclude just what you have asserted above. In Romans 1:19 it says, "because what may be known of God is manifest in them". Here it would clearly seem to suggest that (1)...

Greetings to you atpolland. Thank you for your well thought out post. Blessing to you and your family. It would appear we for the most part are in agreement. Maybe some of the details we don't agree on. It seems that the word "depraved" is latin. (a) "de" meaning thoroughly. (b) "proved"...

Great conversation JesusFan. Thank you for your time. To me, the Supralapsarain model outright leads to God being the causer of Sin and the Fall. In most circles, it is common for Christians when speaking about the fall of mankind, to refer to God’s decree of the fall as “permitted”. This...

Greetings Ken. Peace to you my brother. I just wanted to make some comments about your topic, Men's powers to understand the things of God. In the Reformed tradition, "total depravity does not mean utter depravity" (RC Sproul). In my experience, some High Calvinist tend to drift toward the...

Greetings to all my brothers on this thread. Peace to all through Christ our Savior. I am new to this board, participated on others for a while. Thought I would provide my two cents on this topic. I seem to find myself in frequently. First, I would recommend three essays I have written on...

What a great week, JesusFan. Many blessings from God all around. Peace to you brother. As I stated in another post, most of the eternal justification, double predestination, etc., logically follows from the Supralapsarian Model. To me, it clearly leads to those formulations. The problem is...

I agree. For me, it seems clear that Calvin held to the Lombardian formula. As did most Reformers of his day. Thus, in the strict formulation of "limited Atonement", Calvin did not hold limited atonement. There are modern day essays from Calvinists that assert this. To delve into more murky...

Greetings again Dave. Loved your last post. Very informative (and fair). Regarding the topic of Calvin's view of Atonement. It would appear there are 4 recent views. 1. Calvin believed in limited atonement (mostly High Calvinist by my estimation). 2. Calvin held a "form" of unlimited...