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That's a confusing statement! :Cautious

I consider the "Turn the other cheek" thing to be just a slap. You don't aim for the cheek if you want to hurt someone. A slap just leaves a little pain but can't do any damage. So a slap is an insult rather than a serious attack. But on the other hand you're right--it doesn't say turn both cheeks!

Righto!

Do you believe that self defense is a divinely given right? Therefore, is it wrong or right to have a security team for your church? On another thread, Oseas3 seemed to be saying that it was wrong to have a church security team. When asked, all he would do is post Bible verses. Well, I have...

Excellent post. Thank you!

I don't object to a church having "elders" as long as they are not "ruling elders." You can't run a church or any other group with multiple leaders. One will lead naturally. I heard of a man who visited John Mac's church and talked to him and an "elder." When John left he told the elder, "Take...

Vv. 2 and 4 prove that "elder" and "pastor" are synonyms. To "feed the flock of God" points out that a pastor is metaphorically a shepherd and thus must feed the flock. The word "elder" is not a metaphor but has a definite literal meaning, going along with "not a novice" in 1 Tim. 3:6) The...

Nope, sorry, "elders" are not another office in the church in addition to pastors and deacons. Note: 1. "Elders" in the book of Acts are simply the leaders of the churches. The word always appears in a general sense, never with "pastor" or "deacon" in the same passage. 2. Peter uses "elder" as a...

Oh, men, please don't turn this great conversation into a Calvinist vs. Arminian debate. :( There are plenty of those already.

I can quote verses too. Big deal. "And David sat between the two gates: and the watchman went up to the roof over the gate unto the wall, and lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold a man running alone" (2 Sam. 18:24). "Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and...

What's your point here? Are you for or against a church security team?

They have kindly put me on the church security team, but I have not yet been allowed to beat up anyone. :Ninja

Great post!

People often connect "soul liberty" to the Calvinist-Arminian discussion, but I believe that emphasis is mistaken. It is not a synonym of "free will." The term is used in the Baptist distinctives with the meaning that a believer is free to make his or her own choices in regards to religion...

8th black in Shen Dian Chuan kung fu, 4th black in Pai Lum Kung Fu, cross-ranked 2nd black in karate and jujutsu (but brown belts in judo and karate without the cross rank, which is often political). Also trained in Wing Chun, Tan Tui, etc.

Definitely not KJVO.

Yep.

I would agree that, as some have said, "saint" is the word for "believer in Christ" after the Gospels. The word "saint" occurs in 62 verses in the NT, and only one of them is in the Gospels (Matt. 27:52). On the other hand, the word for believer in the Gospels is "disciple." However, that word...

I would add, only two offices (pastor and deacon), and the Bible as the sole rule of faith and practice. Those two are extremely important.