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So far so good. So far so good. So far so good. This is not a new ending, but simply indicates mss which have endings 2 and 3, both. Not a different ending, but simply the ending at v. 8. I actually mentioned this version of the longer ending. You have here at the very most 4 endings, which...

Near as I can tell, Van is counting witnesses in other languages than Greek to point to more than 3-4 endings. If this is true, it shows a misunderstanding of how language works. For example, "For God so loved the world," in the Japanese Lifeline NT has: なぜなら…神はこうしてこの世を愛されました。A literal back...

Advocates of the Byzantine textform position such as Dr. Maurice Robinson do not "count mss" and do not use the majority methods of Hodges and Farstad, or Wilbur Pickering. Please clarify. In your very long quote I only see four. And how is Wallace more knowledgeable than "famed textual...

I apologize for not being able to answer this over the weekend. What you are missing is that this discussion is really about the doctrine of the preservation of Scripture. Therefore it is important to take a stand. Can God preserve His word? Of course. Did He? Not only does Daniel Wallace say...

Just as I thought. You are not understanding Wallace's NET footnote. Since you love Wallace, I took another look at his article in the book I mentioned, Perspectives on the Ending of Mark. In it, he only discusses the three I have mentioned: ending at v. 8, the shorter ending (which he calls the...

This is not how textual criticism is done. Famed textual critic Bruce M. Metzger wrote, "Four endings of the Gospel according to Mark are current in the manuscripts" (A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, 2nd ed., p. 102. I have said there are only three, but that is because...

I don't think you read Wallace's note, or if you did you didn't understand it. (No offense intended.) In Post 79 I break it down. I'll do so again. 1. Wallace thinks Mark 16 should end at v. 8 with the disciples terrified and trembling. 2. There is a shorter ending which Wallace quotes, but...

Understood. I couldn't resist.

Again, as I have said, there are not "numerous endings," as you have said. There are only three, really, and the "shorter ending" is rejected by both sides, meaning that (once again) we leave the disciples frightened and trembling (neither of the "added" endings), or we have the resurrection of...

I am looking at my UBS The Greek NT, 4th ed. rev. (worst typeface for a Greek NT ever!). It has double brackets around both the longer and shorter endings I referenced in my previous post (pp. 189-192). So Metzger and his team think that the original Gospel of Mark ended with v. 8. Again, here...

Oh, well, it's on the Internet so I have to believe it! :Biggrin;):Tongue

You did not answer my point. It is not debating just to say, "No, I'm right." I logically referenced how the ending of Mark (as a document in the genre of Gospel) needed to teach the resurrection (the other 3 did) and needed to have a version of the Great Commission, since the other Gospels...

I don't think anyone would disagree that the 2nd Coming of Christ glorifies Him, except the full preterist, who opts for a non-glorifying "spiritual" coming in AD 66-70 (depending on the preterist). But there are so many ways that Christ will be glorified by the 2nd Coming. Many prophecies will...

The argument in favor of the longer ending is absolutely logic driven. The logic is that the shorter ending leaves Christ in the grave and leaves out the Great Commission, and those two omissions prove that the longer ending is correct, when compared to the other Gospels.

My opinion: Wallace is a great Greek scholar but a lousy textual critic and terrible on Bible translation. The Net Bible is a very non-literal translation. It's what you get with a "crowd-sourced" translation done with dynamic equivalence--you get a poor translation.

"Most respected"? By whom? I certainly don't consider those two to be "most respected."

"Copy and paste" is a cool function. :Cool

I understand. May God lead you.

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Why do you want a "full ride"? You can trust God to pay your way without a "full ride." I worked a 40 hour a week factory job to get through college, then paid for all of my seminary classes in cash while I was applying to a mission board and then being a missionary. There were times I had...