‘Nashville Statement’ condemns LGBT Christians and those who support them

[Yeshua1]

Homosexuality is not a sin. Sexual activity outside of marriage is.

Jesus and paul disagree with you on that!

 

[Yeshua1]

I am very glad that this statement has been put together for churches to be able to use in their own congregations. Unfortunately, I believe it will be considered a hate crime for anyone to say homosexuality is wrong and having a statement in our churches will clearly state our belief from now until that point so it will not be like it will be a new thing. We will absolutely find persecution in this realm in the next few years. I guarantee it. But the church needs to stand firm on the Word of God. None of the things written in this statement are new. They are millennia old.

FAR better to make a stand on the word of God than base theology and beliefs upon cultural norms and current understand!

 

[Yeshua1]

Depends if the covenant was broken by adultery [perhaps even pornography...but another debate for another time]. Jesus did teach an "except". Paul seems to indicate if a believing spouse is abandoned by an unbelieving spouse, they are free as well.

I know of no one on this forum that holds to divorce on demand is not a sin.

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Interesting that whenever we start to get to how God views homosexual/trangender views, we get deflected to a debate on proper view regarding hetrosexual marriages!

 

[Rob_BW]

Reacting to the Nashville mayor's objection to them appropriating the city's name for their statement, the head of this manhood/womanhood bunch explained that declarations are often named for the city where they're drawn up:

Denny Burk, Why the Nashville Statement




Of course, it is also common to name documents after the particular venue: church (Westminster Confession), palace (Savoy Declaration), or hotel (Hamilton Hotel Resolution) (Biltmore Program) (Waldorf Statement).

But these guys ironed out their manifesto at, get this, the "Gaylord Opryland Resort and Convention Center":

http://www.tennessean.com/story/new...tatement-and-why-people-talking-it/616064001/

Ouch, that's a lot of irony.

 

[Yeshua1]

Might I remind everyone of the outcome of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Before one says "that's the OT".

True, but it was before the giving of the Law yet everyone knew what "wicked" meant.

Genesis 13
12 Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent toward Sodom.
13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.

Genesis 19
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
...
Genesis 19
23 The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.
24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Luke 17
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


HankD

And under the NC, Paul pretty much agreed with how God dealt with that sin, so is not just OT!

 

[Yeshua1]

'Porneia' doesn't mean pornography but, rather, encompasses adultery, premarital sex and bestiality. Now I have to honest my breakfast as it is that time over here!

Thanks for addressing my point in terms if thus forum but how many conservative churches admit remarried divorcees to fellowship?

The con evos - individuals and churches - I know who are anti-gay seem to be much more relaxed about remarriage after divorce ie: they are far more obsessed with a topic in which Jesus said nothing than they are about a matter on which He did have something to say. And I wish that such people would be less obsessed about what two consenting adults get up to in the bedroom, causing no harm to anyone else, and redirect their anger towards the sins of injustice, poverty, violence, corporate greed, gossip, etc that actually do harm other people

God has ALWAYS be very clear that homosexuality being acted upon and practiced is sin. period.

 

[Matt Black]

Interesting that whenever we start to get to how God views homosexual/trangender views, we get deflected to a debate on proper view regarding hetrosexual marriages!

The issues are connected and double standards abound

 

[Matt Black]

Jesus and paul disagree with you on that!

Show me where they state that an orientation is a sin

 

[Yeshua1]

The issues are connected and double standards abound

Apples to oranges though, as same sex marriages are forbidden period by God!

 

[Yeshua1]

Show me where they state that an orientation is a sin

It is against the intended nature of the original creation, is a by product of the fall and sin nature, and we all have in us thing contrary to God and His ways!

 

[Matt Black]

So why single this out?

 

[Rob_BW]

So why single this out?

Because there are plenty of churches that now tell their members, and anyone else who will listen, that homosexuality is not sinful.

Look at the threads here on alcohol consumption or divorce. It's not like Christians never dialogue on individual sins.

 

[Matt Black]

Again, I would contest the extent to which an orientation as opposed to an action is a sin: we all have genetic predispositions to this or that as a product of the Fall, none of which amount to sins in themselves. For instance, I have a family history of alcoholism. That in itself is not a sin. If I was to get falling down drunk on the other hand...

 

[Rob_BW]

Again, I would contest the extent to which an orientation as opposed to an action is a sin: we all have genetic predispositions to this or that as a product of the Fall, none of which amount to sins in themselves. For instance, I have a family history of alcoholism. That in itself is not a sin. If I was to get falling down drunk on the other hand...

Sure, except an 18 year old unmarried homosexual and an 18 year old unmarried heterosexual are likely both mired in sinful thoughts. I know I was. Sexuality and sin appear to go hand in hand.

So then it goes to application. I can tell the young heterosexual to at least wait until they find their mate, and 1 Cor 7 explains the rest. I have no similar answer to the young homosexual, as a life of abstinence seems like the only option.

Except that there are plenty of churches out there supporting same sex marriage.

 

[Yeshua1]

So why single this out?

God Himself has "singled this one out", and are we not to tell others that is not pleasing to God?

 

[Yeshua1]

The scriptures state that drunkenness and divorce are sins, and also Homosexual/lesbian/trasgendering...

We jsut need to be consistent and agree with God!

 

[Yeshua1]

Again, I would contest the extent to which an orientation as opposed to an action is a sin: we all have genetic predispositions to this or that as a product of the Fall, none of which amount to sins in themselves. For instance, I have a family history of alcoholism. That in itself is not a sin. If I was to get falling down drunk on the other hand...

The big problem is that many churches and pastors are now saying that homosexuality/lesbian/transgendering behavior and practices themselves are no longer to be called sinful!

 

[Yeshua1]

Sure, except an 18 year old unmarried homosexual and an 18 year old unmarried heterosexual are likely both mired in sinful thoughts. I know I was. Sexuality and sin appear to go hand in hand.

So then it goes to application. I can tell the young heterosexual to at least wait until they find their mate, and 1 Cor 7 explains the rest. I have no similar answer to the young homosexual, as a life of abstinence seems like the only option.

Except that there are plenty of churches out there supporting same sex marriage.

Either God is true, and can give the homosexual grace to stay faithful, or he cannot.period.
And those who are engaged in those behaviors and call themselves Christians need to get identity in Jesus, and forsake that!

 

[Matt Black]

Sure, except an 18 year old unmarried homosexual and an 18 year old unmarried heterosexual are likely both mired in sinful thoughts. I know I was. Sexuality and sin appear to go hand in hand.

So then it goes to application. I can tell the young heterosexual to at least wait until they find their mate, and 1 Cor 7 explains the rest. I have no similar answer to the young homosexual, as a life of abstinence seems like the only option.

How would you counsel a young homosexual to wait until they find their mate?

 

[Matt Black]

The big problem is that many churches and pastors are now saying that homosexuality/lesbian/transgendering behavior and practices themselves are no longer to be called sinful!

Behaviours. But what about inclinations?