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‘Nashville Statement’ condemns LGBT Christians and those who support them
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You may need to read my post again.
I did. I am challenging you on it
Then you'll have to rephrase the question. Are you saying that they should be counseled to find an opposite sex mate?
I am asking what 'Good News' you have for them concerning relationships that is comparable to that which you would offer a single heterosexual
I'm sorry, but that seems to be an entirely different question than your first question. Spreading the Gospel and counseling others with how to cope with sinful impulses would garner somewhat different responses from me.
Now, if this line of questioning is leading to you asking if I believe that a Christian can have homosexual desires, than my answer is yes.
You are heading down the wrong road if you think there is any way to counsel a homosexual to have a comparable relationship to that which is offered to a single heterosexual. The fact is that same-sex romantic relationships are sinful. Sometimes you just have to tell a person "no". Rob is correct. Christians can have same-sex attraction. The sin is not in the attraction, it is acting on the attraction. You can counsel a person who struggles in that area to trust God or reach out to a trusted friend for support in times of weakness, but you cannot inoculate them from the temptation itself.
There are non of a sexual way, as Godstrictly forbids that!
Katarina Von Bora
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Break out the Bible. You know, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6 and Matthew 19, etc. It's not difficult to explain.
I've never been to a church service where we celebrate adultery, lying, stealing and greed. When a church claims to be inclusive that means we accept their sin.
As Matt Chandler says, homosexuals need to be in church. At my church, we believe the same, but we would never extend church membership to them. Membership requires that you believe the bible and the tenants of the church.
However, there is no situation in which we are called to scream epithets at them.
You can disagree as much as you want, but the Bible is completely clear.
BTW I did see your article by Wayne Grudem. Thanks. I'm not sure I see it the way you do. But I will admit, that they all seem to be talking past each and getting lost in minutia.
What, even celibate ones who are committing no sin?
Matt, I think the preclusion from membership is directed towards practicing, and unrepentant, homosexuals. If there was a practicing, and unrepentant, adulterer, they would be precluded from membership in my church. This is one of the reasons church discipline exists. If someone who was once sexually immoral goes back into that lifestyle, there are ecclesiastical measures to deal with that sin. For that reason alone I doubt that you will find many practicing sexually immoral individuals wanting to join a bible believing church.
I stopped reading at:
...to fully affirm, embrace, and celebrate the LGBT+ community and is(sic) relationships.
So there you have it. It's not about including people, it's about redefining sin to exclude homosexual relationships.
Yes. All of the talk of the celibate Christian with homosexual feelings is only put forth to distract from the real issue: churches condoning homosexual relationships and marriages.
Celibate same-sex-attracted Reformed Evangelical Anglican rector Vaughan Roberts interviewed at the Gospel Coalition:
blogs.thegospelcoalition.org/justintaylor/2012/09/26/vaughn-roberts-on-same-sex-attraction/
So, does your minister interrogate his flock about their sex lives at the communion rail?
Good article. Curious why you didn't post the second half of his answer to that particular question, though.
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