‘Nashville Statement’ condemns LGBT Christians and those who support them

[annsni]

I am asking what 'Good News' you have for them concerning relationships that is comparable to that which you would offer a single heterosexual

Let's listen to what a young man who has lived in the gay community for years before he came to Christ says:

http://www.moorematt.org/is-same-sex-attraction-a-sin/

 

[annsni]

No. But that's kind of my point: if we don't ask about who's in bed with whom, then why do we make such a song and dance about what the answer might be? Surely there are more important things for the Church to be stressing about than what two consenting adults, causing no harms to anyone else, may or may not get up to in private?

"Causing no harm to anyone else" - except the church, a believer's soul and our testimony before God and the world.

 

[Reformed]

Let's listen to what a young man who has lived in the gay community for years before he came to Christ says:

http://www.moorematt.org/is-same-sex-attraction-a-sin/

While the context of the article you posted is sexual sin, the same principle applies to sin in general. 2 Corinthians 10:5 says that we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. That is how we are to deal with temptation. In 1 Corinthians 6:18, Paul tells us to "flee immorality". He does not say mull it over or get close to the edge without giving in to it. He tells us to literally kick in the flight or fight response and get out of Dodge. Since most sin first germinates in the mind, that is where it must be defeated. The answer is not to learn how to live peacefully with sin. Sin is the enemy. It seeks to destroy us at every opportunity. Only through Christ are we able to avoid sin, including sexual immorality.

 

[Yeshua1]

How would you counsel a young homosexual to wait until they find their mate?

Unless they repent and change to being hetrosexual, there is not future mate for them!

 

[Matt Black]

"Causing no harm to anyone else" - except the church, a believer's soul and our testimony before God and the world.

Compared to the harm caused by the Church's track record of bigotry and homophobia? How many suicides have gay people occasioned?

 

[Matt Black]

Unless they repent and change to being hetrosexual, there is not future mate for them!

And when exactly did you choose to be heterosexual?

 

[Yeshua1]

And when exactly did you choose to be heterosexual?

When I decided to date women, and not fellow men!

 

[Matt Black]

So did you just decide to find women attractive?

 

[Katarina Von Bora]

No. But that's kind of my point: if we don't ask about who's in bed with whom, then why do we make such a song and dance about what the answer might be? Surely there are more important things for the Church to be stressing about than what two consenting adults, causing no harms to anyone else, may or may not get up to in private?

Not hurting anyone? How about themselves?

Gay, Bisexual and Other MSM | STDs | CDC

 

[Katarina Von Bora]

The Church needs to be consistent. That at least can be said about the Catholic and Orthodox Churches who have upheld their standards of marriage steadfastly and only recognise sacramental marriage, as defined by them. Protestants have not been so consistent: only a couple of generations ago some denominations in the American Deep South and in South Africa allied with the secular government in endorsing laws against 'miscegenation', then turned a blind eye to the liberalising of divorce laws. I would rather the Church be consistent and, frankly, ignore the State - which, as we have seen, redefines marriage every five minutes or so - as is the case in France where there is a clear cut distinction between civil marriage and religious marriage. As far as the former is concerned , let the State do what it wants in a democracy: i couldnt care less if the government of the moment decides that two cucumbers can get married, but let the Church be consistent and not hypocritical in her own approach to the issue.

Amoris laetitia - Wikipedia

 

[Matt Black]

Not hurting anyone? How about themselves?

Gay, Bisexual and Other MSM | STDs | CDC

I said 'anyone else'.

 

[Matt Black]

Amoris laetitia - Wikipedia

Discussion document only and in no way changes Catholic doctrine. Hence the joke "Bears in wood mourn death of fellow-cliché as theologians doubt whether Pope is Catholic."

 

[Matt Black]

Society is putting on a full court press to for perverted marriage to be accepted as normative. Those that offer dissent are targeted. They are called names, marginalized, demonized, and litigated against. In the United States, business owners have already been sued because they refused to participate in same-sex weddings*. With the pressure placed on Christians to accept perverted marriage, some Christians are trying to give assent to perverted marriage in public while opposing it in their private lives. That sort of cognitive dissonance does not last very long. Pastors that preach the truth on marriage are being targeted on social media. But wait, there is more.

There is no such thing as same-sex marriage. It does not exist. Marriage is God-ordained between one man and one woman. Isaiah wrote:

Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Calling evil good is one-way perverted marriage threatens biblical marriage.

Look at the city of Sodom. In Genesis 19:4 we read, "all the people from every quarter". The city of Sodom had fallen into such gross immorality that not just the wicked were named, but "all the people from every quarter". Did you ever wonder where the term "sodomy" came from? The city of Sodom fell into gross immorality that permeated "every quarter". Good was called evil and evil good. When God's people fail to stand up for what is right, they will fall into what is wrong.

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The sin of Sodom was refusing hospitality
...like repealing DACA

 

[Reformed]

The sin of Sodom was refusing hospitality
...like repealing DACA

So, let me get this right. The LORD was more concerned about poor hospitality than the rank sexual perversion that had taken over the city? The LORD said what He did (below) about hospitality?

Genesis 18:-20-21 20 And the LORD said, “The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave. 21 I will go down now, and see if they have done entirely according to its outcry, which has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”

When the two angelic visitors said in Genesis 19:13, "for we are about to destroy this place, because their outcry has become so great before the LORD that the LORD has sent us to destroy it" are we supposed to believe that their sin of poor hospitality had become a great outcry before the LORD?

Folks, this is how it is done. Not every enemy of God's word and His people are going to come with sword in hand, making their intentions clearly known. Some try the soft-shoe approach, echoing the words of the serpent in Genesis 3:1, "Indeed, has God said?" The latter enemy seeks to sow doubt. There is more danger in doubting God's word than there is in facing the sword. Beware!

 

[Matt Black]

I can do little better than go to God's Word: Ezekiel 16:49 "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

As I have already said, there are more important things for the Church to be worried about right now, such as the repeal of DACA. The above endorses this approach.

 

[Reformed]

I can do little better than go to God's Word: Ezekiel 16:49 "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

As I have already said, there are more important things for the Church to be worried about right now, such as the repeal of DACA. The above endorses this approach.

Go understand what verse 46 means in that chapter and the parallel Ezekiel was drawing. None of that takes away from the reason for Sodom's destruction in Genesis 19.

You have no idea what the Church is to be worried about, as you have habitually (in this thread) displayed a deaf ear to the truth. Some members of this board will willingly follow you down one of your rabbit trails. I will not.

Nice try on DACA. Start a thread in the political forum if you want to discuss that topic.

P.S. A thread already exists: President to end DACA

 

[Matt Black]

I've said all I want to say on DACA and I stand by what I've said above. If we're not prepared to be an authentic prophetic voice as Christians, then we're not following our Lord and Saviour.

 

[Reformed]

I've said all I want to say on DACA and I stand by what I've said above. If we're not prepared to be an authentic prophetic voice as Christians, then we're not following our Lord and Saviour.

You bring up a topic you do not want to talk about. Smokescreen.

 

[Matt Black]

I thought you were the one who didn't want to talk about it here...directing me to another thread.

 

[Matt Black]

For the record, this is pretty much ad idem with my own position to SSM and abortion:


Jacob Rees-Mogg 'completely opposed' to abortion - Jacob Rees-Mogg 'completely opposed' to abortion - BBC News

For info, this man could although it is unlikely become Prime Minister.