1/3 of randomly tested people in Massachusetts has antibodies to covid

[Particular]

Well, it's 5 hours later and the death toll is 43,200.

43,000 plus out of 8 billion people. Even if the death toll goes up to 500,000, that is a drop in the bucket of human lives on the planet.
At some point we must place our faith in the Sovereignty of God's elective work or we must cower in seclusion like dogs afraid of the thunderstorm.

 

[InTheLight]

43,000 plus out of 8 billion people. Even if the death toll goes up to 500,000, that is a drop in the bucket of human lives on the planet.

It's an hour later and it's now 43,630. In the United States. Not 43,630 in the world.

At some point we must place our faith in the Sovereignty of God's elective work or we must cower in seclusion like dogs afraid of the thunderstorm.

"Que sera, sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera, sera
What will be, will be."

 

[Gold Dragon]

You know, for someone whining so much about others bringing up the mortality rate, you sure do it a lot yourself. I didn’t bring it up, you did.

We need studies and testing to determine the reality of the actual spread.

And serology showing undetected cases will show that spread is much greater than what detected cases show us and increase the need for lockdowns and social distancing.

The only way it will help decrease the need for lockdowns in the eyes of politically motivated people who hope their listeners are not good at math, is to make the death rate and hospital rate appear smaller even if the absolute number of deaths and hospitalizations is not changed.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

And serology showing undetected cases will show that spread is much greater than what detected cases show us and increase the need for lockdowns and social distancing.

The only way it will help decrease the need for lockdowns in the eyes of politically motivated people who hope their listeners are not good at math, is to make the death rate and hospital rate appear smaller even if the absolute number of deaths and hospitalizations is not changed.

You are inventing scenarios. Do the testing, do the studies, and let's see what is really transpiring, and what already has transpired. But shutdowns can only be very temporary because of other factors. That's why the push to open up areas that are not as hard hit.

And you don't seem to comprehend my point. This is not just about one type of testing but looking at what is really going on in the practice of social distancing. There are probably multiple reasons certain areas are harder hit, perhaps even besides the Dem idiocy that promoted 'Hug a Chinese' nonsense.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Do the testing, do the studies, and let's see what is really transpiring, and what already has transpired.

Sure. I’m all for better data. I just oppose people who misrepresent the meaning of that data to deceive people for political purposes like trying to downplay the severity of illness, like the Chinese government do as well as other politicians and their mouthpieces.

 

[InTheLight]

It's an hour later and it's now 43,630. In the United States.

Well, it's six hours later and now the death toll is 44,805. So that's over 2,800 in the last 12 hours.

And just a couple of days ago some here were poo-pooing the idea of 3,000 dead in 24 hours.

 

[Particular]

It's an hour later and it's now 43,630. In the United States. Not 43,630 in the world.



"Que sera, sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera, sera
What will be, will be."

43,000 out of 350,000,000.
That equals a death rate of 0.001 percent of the population.

Now, don't get me wrong, for these families whose loved one died due to COVID19, they are filled with grief and my heart goes out to them.

What we know for certain is that death is undefeated and it will take both you and me out sooner than later. This is why we share the good news of reconciliation with God to everyone who will listen. If God wills, our neighbors and friends will gain eternity with our King. Is it a tragedy that we go there sooner than later?

 

[Gold Dragon]

43,000 out of 350,000,000.
That equals a death rate of 0.001 percent of the population.

Losing 0.001% of your population in 7 weeks is massive.

For comparison, that is around the number of MVA, gun and influenza deaths per YEAR in the US.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Losing 0.001% of your population in 7 weeks is massive.

For comparison, that is around the number of MVA, gun and influenza deaths per YEAR in the US.

It is also around the number of suicides per year in the US for those trying to say that additional suicides from economic loss will be more than covid19 deaths.

 

[InTheLight]

43,000 out of 350,000,000.
That equals a death rate of 0.001 percent of the population.

Now, don't get me wrong, for these families whose loved one died due to COVID19, they are filled with grief and my heart goes out to them.

What we know for certain is that death is undefeated and it will take both you and me out sooner than later. This is why we share the good news of reconciliation with God to everyone who will listen. If God wills, our neighbors and friends will gain eternity with our King. Is it a tragedy that we go there sooner than later?

It's so cute when you try to do math.

You lower the number of deaths from 43,600 to 43,000 (and 43,600 was already hours old and inaccurate.) Then you add 20 million to the population of the US, bumping it from 330 million to 350 million and you type out the full number, 350,000,000, to make it look bigger. These adjustments to the numbers will guarantee an inaccurate, and lower result.

Then, even though the result is in six significant digits, you round it off to three significant digits.

Finally, your result is in error by an order of magnitude of 10 times.

You see, 43,000 divided by 350,000,000 equals

.01229%

not

.001%

But thanks for trying.

I hope your approach to interpreting scripture isn't as sloppy but I already know that is a pipe dream.

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[Reynolds]

And serology showing undetected cases will show that spread is much greater than what detected cases show us and increase the need for lockdowns and social distancing.

The only way it will help decrease the need for lockdowns in the eyes of politically motivated people who hope their listeners are not good at math, is to make the death rate and hospital rate appear smaller even if the absolute number of deaths and hospitalizations is not changed.

Further testing will also show the virus has a TINY fatality rate.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Further testing will also show the virus has a TINY fatality rate.

And that will only matter to those who are politically motivated to try and make the fataility rate appear smaller to downplay the severity of the disease to their listeners who they hope are not very good at math and can't realize that a smaller percentage of a larger number of cases still results in the same devastating number of deaths.

As of right now that is 45,000 deaths in 7 weeks. In 7 weeks covid19 would already be the 11th leading cause of death in 2017 for the year. In a few more days it would be the 8th leading cause of death.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf

1 Diseases of heart 647,457
2 Malignant neoplasms 599,108
3 Accidents (unintentional injuries) 169,936
4 Chronic lower respiratory diseases 160,201
5 Cerebrovascular diseases 146,383
6 Alzheimer disease 121,404
7 Diabetes mellitus 83,564
8 Influenza and pneumonia 55,672
9 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis 50,633
10 Intentional self-harm (suicide) 47,173
11 Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis 41,743
12 Septicemia 40,922
13 Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease 35,316
14 Parkinson disease 31,963
15 Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids 20,108
… All other causes 561,920

But of course it is not big deal and nothing to worry about because it will be a TINY fatality rate.

 

[InTheLight]

Further testing will also show the virus has a TINY fatality rate.

It's not the fatality rate, it's the total number of deaths. After all, people die from all sorts of causes every year and there are death rates for these causes, but COVID-19 is a new cause of death. It means that a certain number of people are dying and being added to the usual number of people from the usual reasons.

And that will only matter to those who are politically motivated to try and make the fataility rate appear smaller to downplay the severity of the disease to their listeners who they hope are not very good at math and can't realize that a smaller percentage of a larger number of cases still results in the same devastating number of deaths.

Well, that's unfair. Not everyone that looks at the death rate is politically motivated by talk radio and TV news hosts. I would suggest that most are trying to find a way to compare it to other, well known causes of death and try to make some sense of the severity of the situation.

Ultimately the correct way to compare it to other causes of death is to compare the annual number of deaths from the virus to the other causes of death.

When we count the soldiers that die in wars we rarely refer to a "death rate". And if we do, we use that rate to show how much worse the war actually was. But typically we simply count the number of deaths. If we went with death rates, the deaths during the Vietnam War would be marginalized. Deaths from COVID-19 are approaching the number of American deaths in the Vietnam War.

 

[InTheLight]

This is the issue right here. It's not the death rate or the infection rate, it's the high number of deaths in the short amount of time. It's over 42,000 deaths now.

OK, it's been 24 hours since I posted this yesterday. The death count is now 45,134. That's 3,000 per day.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Well, that's unfair. Not everyone that looks at the death rate is politically motivated by talk radio and TV news hosts. I would suggest that most are trying to find a way to compare it to other, well known causes of death and try to make some sense of the severity

Sure there are people legitimately wanting to know how to compare it to other diseases. But it won’t really matter to them because they already know how severe this disease is.

A low fatality rate matters a lot to those with a political motivation to downplay the severity of covid19 because they want to point to a small number that they can fool people with poor math skills with. They need that small number to justify their narratives because every other number is very large.

 

[InTheLight]

A low fatality rate matters a lot to those with a political motivation to downplay the severity of covid19 because they want to point to a small number that they can fool people with poor math skills with. They need that small number to justify their narratives because every other number is very large.

I'm just saying that not all of it is politically motivated. It could be economically motivated. It could be the desire to downplay the severity in their own mind.

 

[Reynolds]

And that will only matter to those who are politically motivated to try and make the fataility rate appear smaller to downplay the severity of the disease to their listeners who they hope are not very good at math and can't realize that a smaller percentage of a larger number of cases still results in the same devastating number of deaths.

As of right now that is 45,000 deaths in 7 weeks. In 7 weeks covid19 would already be the 11th leading cause of death in 2017 for the year. In a few more days it would be the 8th leading cause of death.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf



But of course it is not big deal and nothing to worry about because it will be a TINY fatality rate.

What will the fatality count be in the king term if we wreck the economy?

 

[Reynolds]

Sure there are people legitimately wanting to know how to compare it to other diseases. But it won’t really matter to them because they already know how severe this disease is.

A low fatality rate matters a lot to those with a political motivation to downplay the severity of covid19 because they want to point to a small number that they can fool people with poor math skills with. They need that small number to justify their narratives because every other number is very large.

Its ironic that Democrats think they are the experts on how to deal with this and their states are the ones suffering the high fatalities.

 

[Particular]

It's so cute when you try to do math.

You lower the number of deaths from 43,600 to 43,000 (and 43,600 was already hours old and inaccurate.) Then you add 20 million to the population of the US, bumping it from 330 million to 350 million and you type out the full number, 350,000,000, to make it look bigger. These adjustments to the numbers will guarantee an inaccurate, and lower result.

Then, even though the result is in six significant digits, you round it off to three significant digits.

Finally, your result is in error by an order of magnitude of 10 times.

You see, 43,000 divided by 350,000,000 equals

.01229%

not

.001%

But thanks for trying.

I hope your approach to interpreting scripture isn't as sloppy but I already know that is a pipe dream.

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Wow, it's at .012%. Such a huge part of the population. One one hundredth of one percent.

I don't think less of the grieving that people are doing. I think less of the fear mongering that you are doing.

I trust in a Sovereign God who has my life in His hands. No fear of death. God will bring me home as He sees fit. God will end each humans life at the exact time of that person's appointed time. No sooner and no later.

Continue to fear monger if you must.

 

[InTheLight]

Wow, it's at .012%. Such a huge part of the population. One one hundredth of one percent.

You are deliberately and dishonestly distorting the calculations and the seriousness of the situation. You were in error by a factor of 10 and you just shrug it off.

It's NOT the percentage, it's the total number of deaths.

I don't think less of the grieving that people are doing. I think less of the fear mongering that you are doing.

I see. Correcting your errors in mathematics is "fear mongering."

I trust in a Sovereign God who has my life in His hands. No fear of death. God will bring me home as He sees fit. God will end each humans life at the exact time of that person's appointed time. No sooner and no later.

Tell me, did you get vaccinated for smallpox when you were a kid? Did you get vaccinated against German measles? If you have children were they vaccinated against German measles? How about chickenpox?

Are you washing your hands frequently? Staying at home? Avoiding crowds?

If so, why?

Continue to fear monger if you must.

Sing your song again:
"Que sera, sera
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Que sera, sera
What will be, will be."