1 Cor 10:31 Giving glory to God

[Rolfe]

John - let's face it. This subject is NOT about glorifying God. It's your attempt to justify your personal like of alcoholic beverages, and some sneaking little voice in the back of your head that's questioning whether it's right or wrong.

Most insightful post of this thread.

 

[evangelist6589]

John - let's face it. This subject is NOT about glorifying God. It's your attempt to justify your personal like of alcoholic beverages, and some sneaking little voice in the back of your head that's questioning whether it's right or wrong.

So you've been looking for past religious figures who drank; verses that don't appear to condemn drinking; etc., etc. in order to justify what you want to do.

This thread and the others aren't about right or wrong; they're about what YOU want to do. You're simply looking for some biblical way to justify it, and make others agree that it's acceptable to do it.

First, it's already been biblically shown that you can do it: Romans 14, given to you multiple times.

But there's a difference between "can" and "should."

Second, just forget about getting others to agree about it being acceptable. Some will, some won't. Stop looking for others to validate your actions. As long as YOU believe it's biblical, then stop worrying about what others think, because some will always agree with you, and some never will.

But the *very first* thing you have to do is start being honest: These threads have been about YOU, not God, or glorifying Him. In that regard, you *must* consider whether your desire to justify your actions is dying to self, or focusing on self (and thus, whether your motives are selfish, and you should give that some long, hard, deep thought).

Not true not true. I know that drinking is not wrong. It's just alcohol abuse that is wrong.

Don is a critic and often says these kinds of things about me as any critic would.

 

[evangelist6589]

Most insightful post of this thread.

Most stupid post of this thread more like it.

 

[Rolfe]

So Evan, have you given any thought to my challenge (in another thread, I think) to go one month without any alcoholic drink?

Curious.

 

[Don]

Not true not true. I know that drinking is not wrong. It's just alcohol abuse that is wrong.

Then why would that same passage in Romans mention that eating can be wrong, much less drinking?

(Answer: because for some people, it IS wrong)

John, look at Romans 15:1, which is truly the final statement of Romans 14; if you're truly the stronger brother, then why aren't you looking out for the weaker brethren?

Again, stop trying to justify what you're doing, and just do it. Just remember that we're not supposed to be justifying what we do for ourselves; we're supposed to be *always* considering our brethren and the lost.

No need to broadcast it here, unless you get some morbid satisfaction out of feeling persecuted by anonymous disembodied internet personas.

 

[evangelist6589]

I need to respond to these posts on more detail later.

 

[Don]

I need to respond to these posts on more detail later.

No, you don't.

 

[evangelist6589]

So Evan, have you given any thought to my challenge (in another thread, I think) to go one month without any alcoholic drink?

Curious.

For what reason? If it was an addiction of mine then yes I would. But its not as I only have a drink on occasion for the fun of it. This book I am reading I am now on the theology section of wine, and did you know that The gospel is used as a metaphor with wine? So many claim that the reason people in the Bible drank wine was because the water was bad, or to keep them hydrated and such. But if this were entirely true strange why Jesus did not turn the water into good water at the feast in Cana, but rather turned it into wine. Strange.

 

[evangelist6589]

No, you don't.

Yes I do!

 

[evangelist6589]

Then why would that same passage in Romans mention that eating can be wrong, much less drinking?

(Answer: because for some people, it IS wrong)

John, look at Romans 15:1, which is truly the final statement of Romans 14; if you're truly the stronger brother, then why aren't you looking out for the weaker brethren?

Again, stop trying to justify what you're doing, and just do it. Just remember that we're not supposed to be justifying what we do for ourselves; we're supposed to be *always* considering our brethren and the lost.

No need to broadcast it here, unless you get some morbid satisfaction out of feeling persecuted by anonymous disembodied internet personas.

I have been misunderstood. This thread did not start as one about wine, but somehow it turned into one.

 

[Rolfe]

For what reason? If it was an addiction of mine then yes I would. But its not as I only have a drink on occasion for the fun of it.

Why? To see for yourself if you do have a problem with alcohol. You repeatedly deny that you do, but your horse-blinker like focus on the subject suggests otherwise.

What can it hurt? If you experience absolutely no craving for it, you have proven yourself right. If you do desire it, you know that you need to do something about it both for the sake of your health and perhaps your spiritual walk.

 

[Rolfe]

I have been misunderstood. This thread did not start as one about wine, but somehow it turned into one.

Of course this thread is about wine.

From your Opening Post:

What about having a glass of wine while doing a bible study? Yes that can give God glory. So what say you?

 

[Jerome]

I have been misunderstood. This thread did not start as one about wine, but somehow it turned into one.

Huh? In your OP you immediately made it about booze:

Let's examine this verse. What gives God glory?....If drinking leads to drunkenness then no. But what about eating and drinking with other believers? I believe that can give God glory. What about having a glass of wine while doing a bible study? Yes that can give God glory. So what say you?

 

[evangelist6589]

Of course this thread is about wine.

From your Opening Post:

That's not all I said in the OP!

 

[evangelist6589]

Huh? In your OP you immediately made it about booze:

Wrong. That's not all I said!

 

[evangelist6589]

Why? To see for yourself if you do have a problem with alcohol. You repeatedly deny that you do, but your horse-blinker like focus on the subject suggests otherwise.

What can it hurt? If you experience absolutely no craving for it, you have proven yourself right. If you do desire it, you know that you need to do something about it both for the sake of your health and perhaps your spiritual walk.

Well I enjoy the subject and am reading 2 books on it as I speak.

 

[blessedwife318]

For what reason? If it was an addiction of mine then yes I would.

And you know it's not an addiction how? You made it clear on this board that you wouldn't (couldn't?) give up drinking even though you willing put yourself under a church that preached abstaining from drinking, and you snuck around your ex-wife's back to buy and consume drink.
There is a reason why the first step in any addiction recovery program is admitting that you have a problem.
Any one going back through the history can see that alcohol was one of the factors contributing to the breakdown of your covenant relationship with your ex-wife.

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[evangelist6589]

And you know it's not an addiction how? You made it clear on this board that you wouldn't (couldn't?) give up drinking even though you willing put yourself under a church that preached abstaining from drinking, and you snuck around your ex-wife's back to buy and consume drink.
There is a reason why the first step in any addiction recovery program is admitting that you have a problem.
Any one going back through the history can see that alcohol was one of the factors contributing to the breakdown of your covenant relationship with your ex-wife.

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Thank God I am no longer under that church or will be under a church that teaches that position for it's not Biblical. You speak as if alcohol is a bad thing. Actually it's one of Gods good gifts for the church!

 

[evangelist6589]

Besides the Bible some good books can help you understand the Bible better on the topic.

 

[blessedwife318]

Thank God I am no longer under that church or will be under a church that teaches that position for it's not Biblical. You speak as if alcohol is a bad thing. Actually it's one of Gods good gifts for the church!

No I speak as though lying to those in authority over you is a bad thing. I speak as though lying and sneaking behind your then wife's back is a bad thing.
You choose to put your self under that churches rules (the history of your reasoning is here for all to see)
And even with that choice you still wouldn't (couldn't?) do what they asked. You didn't love your then wife enough to not drink. Drinking was more important than your role as husband to live your wife sacerficially. Again this is all in the history here.

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