+1 for Calvinism?

[jne1611]

I used to be a member of another Christian web forum. My experience with those who hammer and blast people with Scripture quotes (bold and multi-color, no less, and now even with a font sized apparently for the “blind”) instead of simply engaging in conversation while including the Bible reference so that readers, as good Bereans, can look up those references for themselves usually turn out to be graceless and holding to bad theology. It is also my experience that if the reader is genuinely interested in what you have to say, they'll look up the reference—no need to hammer them with it; and if they are not genuinely interested the hammering will only drive them away, and while you might have won the battle (and perhaps put a notch in your “spiritual” belt) you will have lost a soul. In the 17th of Luke we are shown to be responsible for the sin that we drive others to. If you drive them into the arms of Satan are you not responsible for their death? Do you really want their blood on your hands? For it is written, “No murderer shall enter Heaven.”

Sir, I was not addressing you at all & further more, your use of Scripture out of its context shows that you are very off from the right. You have misjudged the spirit in which I wrote to this individual & I guess from the Scriptures I have quoted that you fill that Paul has the blood of everyone who reads Romans chapter 9 on his head. You should never class people just because of your bad experiences with others as being prideful. the fonts were big because of the Bible programme I used to copy & paste the Scriptures. Be careful that you do not judge others or even get tangled in the same mess you accuse others of doing.

 

[Jeep Dragon]

There is no way you can say that the hardening of Pharaoh's heart did not affect his salvation, because he ended up in hell & God told him that was the way he would show His power to all the earth. The whole context of Rom. 9 is dealing with salvation & damnation.

Just an thought of mine, but is it possible to dogmatically claim that anyone in the Bible went to heaven or hell unless the Bible specifically says such? Perhapse God only recorded the parts of the stories that conveyed the message that He wanted us to know.
Throughout most of the Bible, we see good or bad works that people did. Few times, God tells us what is on their hearts. Their whole stories and conversions are not spelled out in the Bible. We take by faith that these people either went to heaven or hell by believing that their works must have described their heart for their whole life.

I have heard messages that claim that king Saul was not saved because the Lord departed from Saul at the end of his life:

(1Sa 28:15) And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
(1Sa 28:16) Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?

Yet, if we read further, we see why:

(1Sa 28:17) And the LORD hath done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David:
(1Sa 28:18) Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

We see that the reason why the LORD became Saul's enemy was because he did not obey the LORD.
I have heard other sermons claim that Saul was saved because the Holy Spirit used him:

(1Sa 11:4) Then came the messengers to Gibeah of Saul, and told the tidings in the ears of the people: and all the people lifted up their voices, and wept.
(1Sa 11:5) And, behold, Saul came after the herd out of the field; and Saul said, What aileth the people that they weep? And they told him the tidings of the men of Jabesh.
(1Sa 11:6) And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly.
(1Sa 11:7) And he took a yoke of oxen, and hewed them in pieces, and sent them throughout all the coasts of Israel by the hands of messengers, saying, Whosoever cometh not forth after Saul and after Samuel, so shall it be done unto his oxen. And the fear of the LORD fell on the people, and they came out with one consent.

The preachers of the searmons on this passage claimed that the Holy Spirit does not enter onto unsaved people.

All I can say is that these viewpoints sound good, but are all taken by faith. I assure all of you that we will all be surprised who we see in heaven whom we thought were in hell and vice versa.

(Psa 44:21) Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.

 

[npetreley]

I used to be a member of another Christian web forum. My experience with those who hammer and blast people with Scripture quotes (bold and multi-color, no less, and now even with a font sized apparently for the “blind”) instead of simply engaging in conversation while including the Bible reference so that readers, as good Bereans, can look up those references for themselves usually turn out to be graceless and holding to bad theology. It is also my experience that if the reader is genuinely interested in what you have to say, they'll look up the reference—no need to hammer them with it; and if they are not genuinely interested the hammering will only drive them away, and while you might have won the battle (and perhaps put a notch in your “spiritual” belt) you will have lost a soul. In the 17th of Luke we are shown to be responsible for the sin that we drive others to. If you drive them into the arms of Satan are you not responsible for their death? Do you really want their blood on your hands? For it is written, “No murderer shall enter Heaven.”

He's drawing soteriological conclusions from scripture. You're drawing conclusions about his character based on text formatting.

I know which makes a stronger case.

 

[jne1611]

He's drawing soteriological conclusions from scripture. You're drawing conclusions about his character based on text formatting.

I know which makes a stronger case.

Thanks! You said it!

 

[jne1611]

Quote:Jeep Dragon - Just an thought of mine, but is it possible to dogmatically claim that anyone in the Bible went to heaven or hell unless the Bible specifically says such?

I understand where you are coming from. But I believe that the context is clear that Pharaoh is an example of a vessel of wrath fitted to destruction in contrast to those afore prepared unto glory. Hope that lets you see why I said he went to hell.

 

[Billsey]

He's drawing soteriological conclusions from scripture. You're drawing conclusions about his character based on text formatting.

I know which makes a stronger case.

No, I'm drawing conclusions according to scripture and how he appears to beat people over the head with Bible quotes instead of just talking to them. I mean, what's the point of replying like he does? Is it to win the person over, or is it “Hey! Look at me! I know the Bible!”?

 

[Allan]

Actually it is neither, - It is just "hey look at me!"

 

[npetreley]

No, I'm drawing conclusions according to scripture and how he appears to beat people over the head with Bible quotes instead of just talking to them. I mean, what's the point of replying like he does? Is it to win the person over, or is it “Hey! Look at me! I know the Bible!”?

From the Wikipedia

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin, literally "argument against the person") involves replying to an argument or assertion by attacking the person presenting the argument or assertion rather than the argument itself. It is a logical fallacy.

 

[psalms109:31]

Hope of Jesus

The answer is that if they leave from us shows us their going they were never apart of us. We are to reach the world and hold those who believe even closer.

When I see that they are influenced by this man-made doctrine, I can see why he sees those scripture the way He sees them.

When you look at scripture through the eyes of God loving the world that He sent His Son, you see it in a total different perspective.

As long as I lift up Jesus for the hope for the world, not some man-made doctrine, who can come against me? I will not let their unbelief bring doubt in my savior for any thing.

Do not doubt but believe, Jesus tells me..

It is those who abide in Jesus that is predestined to be saved, we have not been predestined to abide. It those who endure to the end that shall be saved, If we disown Jesus He will disown us.
The hope did not come to the world until Jesus was lifted up and when the Father and Son sent back the Holy Spirit.

The only one who was created for honor was Jesus, so all others must hold on to Him our only hope.

Which one of you is bold enough to say they were created in honor?

Who cares that God harden the heart of Pharaoh. Who God foreknew would never believe, for him to have no pleasure in the wickedness he was doing.

Lets give back the hope of Jesus to the world

 

[jne1611]

From the Wikipedia

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin, literally "argument against the person") involves replying to an argument or assertion by attacking the person presenting the argument or assertion rather than the argument itself. It is a logical fallacy.

Right on. Seems they both have a problem judging people rather than Scripture!

 

[jne1611]

Actually it is neither, - It is just "hey look at me!"

I never attacked you at all trying to bring you down & raise myself up. I just showed you a Scriptural interpretation & your buddy judged me & you have done the same thing. It seems more important to you both to assassinate character than look at Scripture. A classic evasion of the subject matter.

 

[Jeep Dragon]

Who cares that God harden the heart of Pharaoh. Who God foreknew would never believe, for him to have no pleasure in the wickedness he was doing.

Lets give back the hope of Jesus to the world

Let's take an interesting look at the the sovereignty of God, the free-will of man, the inspiration of the Bible, and today's application of the Bible.

(Psa 119:89) Forever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

(Eph 1:3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
(Eph 1:4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
(Eph 1:5) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
(Eph 1:6) To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
(Eph 1:7) In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

If we hold to the position that all words of the Bible were written in heaven before the foundations of the earth (which I have no problem with) we could conclude that God had sovereignly caused man to perform many actions. We could also view God's foreknowledge alone and assume that He, knowing the choices of man, sovereignly worked around their choices even to write the Bible. Neither one of this views can be heretical if the order of existances of the words of God and the choices of man are not important.
One thing we all realize is that God outwardly dealt differently with man during the writing of the Bible that He does now. Most of God's judgment and prophecy were immediate and supernatural. Now that the Bible has been cannonized, and we are living in the church age (the period of grace) both obvious miracles and immediate supernatural judgment have been brought down to a minimum.
This is just speculation on my part, but could God's "hardening of Pharaoh's heart" not occur as often as it does today? Now that the Bible has been written, could not "not willing that any should perrish" be referring to individuals at this point? No more stories to write in the Bible, no more trying to establish the nation of Israel. Now, the main purpose is to get the gospel to everyone. Just an idea to throw around.

 

[jne1611]

Let's take an interesting look at the the sovereignty of God, the free-will of man, the inspiration of the Bible, and today's application of the Bible.


If we hold to the position that all words of the Bible were written in heaven before the foundations of the earth (which I have no problem with) we could conclude that God had sovereignly caused man to perform many actions. We could also view God's foreknowledge alone and assume that He, knowing the choices of man, sovereignly worked around their choices even to write the Bible. Neither one of this views can be heretical if the order of existances of the words of God and the choices of man are not important.
One thing we all realize is that God outwardly dealt differently with man during the writing of the Bible that He does now. Most of God's judgment and prophecy were immediate and supernatural. Now that the Bible has been cannonized, and we are living in the church age (the period of grace) both obvious miracles and immediate supernatural judgment have been brought down to a minimum.
This is just speculation on my part, but could God's "hardening of Pharaoh's heart" not occur as often as it does today? Now that the Bible has been written, could not "not willing that any should perrish" be referring to individuals at this point? No more stories to write in the Bible, no more trying to establish the nation of Israel. Now, the main purpose is to get the gospel to everyone. Just an idea to throw around.

I see what you are trying to say. Similar views have been brought out on the subject. I heard a man preach that the apostles were sovereignly saved, but everyone else fits into the "whosoever will" category. But I believe the text cited can be viewed in light of the fact that the "us ward" points to those who Peter addressed, namely "the elect". I believe this can be applied because in 2 Thess 2. It says that God sends a strong delusion to others that they should believe a lie, that they all might be damned. That tells me that there are some that God does not will to save, but wills to damn.

 

[psalms109:31]

Before the foundation of the world

Before the foundation of the world, God has decided to save believers.

We cannot not limit God's word to say world, is limited to save elect, or that He wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, and limit that to the elect.

Jesus has opened the door to all men, and even the very elect of God will be cut out for unbelief, our hope is in Jesus.

As the scripture says' now.

Hebrews 3
Warning Against Unbelief

7So, as the Holy Spirit says:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
8do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion,
during the time of testing in the desert,
9where your fathers tested and tried me
and for forty years saw what I did.
10That is why I was angry with that generation,
and I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray,
and they have not known my ways.'
11So I declared on oath in my anger,
'They shall never enter my rest.' "[Psalm 95:7-11 ]
12See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. 14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. 15As has just been said:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion."[Psalm 95:7,8 ]

16Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert? 18And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed[Or disbelieved ]? 19So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

 

[jne1611]

Before the foundation of the world, God has decided to save believers.

We cannot not limit God's word to say world, is limited to save elect, or that He wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, and limit that to the elect.

Jesus has opened the door to all men, and even the very elect of God will be cut out for unbelief, our hope is in Jesus.

As the scripture says' now.

Hebrews 3
Warning Against Unbelief

7So, as the Holy Spirit says:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
8do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion,
during the time of testing in the desert,
9where your fathers tested and tried me
and for forty years saw what I did.
10That is why I was angry with that generation,
and I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray,
and they have not known my ways.'
11So I declared on oath in my anger,
'They shall never enter my rest.' "[Psalm 95:7-11 ]
12See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. 14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. 15As has just been said:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion."[Psalm 95:7,8 ]

16Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert? 18And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed[Or disbelieved ]? 19So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

We do not have to limit Gods word of salvation to the elect. God has done so. The Scripture you reference about being cut off is speaking about self righteous gentiles being proud & obviously empty of grace. This is not a description of God's elect. The reference in Heb. 3 is answered in ch. 4 showing that those who died in the wilderness heard the gospel, but it did not profit them because of unbelief. This is not a description of true believers. Christ said they will NEVER perish. It is clear from Rom. 9:6 - 8 That just because those that perish are mingled in with God's elect, only the children of promise will be saved. Isaac is a type of salvation being ALL of God. When Abraham had done all he could & failed, he was forced to the position that unless God moved he could not have Isaac. Gods grace removes all human ability & gives all glory to God. It was not till Jonah got in the belly of the well with no hope of getting out that he said "SALVATION IS OF THE LORD"
.....For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[Jeep Dragon]

God knows everyone's hearts and will give them whatever faith they need to receive Him if they have such faith. Some people are more capable of believing what is not seen than others.

(Heb 11:6) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

What is the one factor that pleases God? Faith. Anything done without faith does not please God.

(Rom 14:23) And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Now, we know that anything not of faith not only does not please God, but is sin. If someone can go through an entire lifetime without faith in God, God is not pleased, thus the get their just reward.

In Scripture, we see several places where God sovereignly reached out to certain men making faith into sight giving them divine revelation for salvation and sanctification. A good example of such in the Old Testament is Nebuchadnezzer.
Nebuchadnezzer was the epitamy of pagan lordship. He most likely witnessed miracles performed by servants of his many gods, thus convincing such a ruler of the One true God would be an impossible task. God had special interest in Nebuchadnezzer; enough to allow him to capture His people and use Daniel's testamony along with His prevailing power to show Himself to Nebuchadnezzer. Untill Nebuchadnezzer's pride was put down, he temporarily acknowledged the God of Daniel as a superior god. Getting Nebuchadnezzer saved would be impossible if it weren't for

(Mar 10:25) It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
(Mar 10:26) And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
(Mar 10:27) And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Through special cases such as Nebuchadnezzer, who had enough faith to believe in God given the Divine revelations, God delights in the faith of men. If one reads through the Gospels, one would find that nothing pleased Jesus more than seeing people come to him having great faith ("If I could but touch the hem of his garment...," "Just speak the word that my son liveth.") Jesus delights in this faith.

In the New Testament, Paul was also a special case. He was a very zealous man in his convictions as he persecuted Christains. Perhapse God in His sovereign will and foreknowledge saw/raised Paul to be this way, that if he were to be shown who Jesus really is, could help spread this "New Gospel" to the world.

 

[psalms109:31]

scripture

We do not have to limit Gods word of salvation to the elect. God has done so. The Scripture you reference about being cut off is speaking about self righteous gentiles being proud & obviously empty of grace. This is not a description of God's elect. The reference in Heb. 3 is answered in ch. 4 showing that those who died in the wilderness heard the gospel, but it did not profit them because of unbelief. This is not a description of true believers. Christ said they will NEVER perish. It is clear from Rom. 9:6 - 8 That just because those that perish are mingled in with God's elect, only the children of promise will be saved. Isaac is a type of salvation being ALL of God. When Abraham had done all he could & failed, he was forced to the position that unless God moved he could not have Isaac. Gods grace removes all human ability & gives all glory to God. It was not till Jonah got in the belly of the well with no hope of getting out that he said "SALVATION IS OF THE LORD"
.....For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The scripture i gave you, if you see them through the eyes of God loving the word that He sent His Son you will see them as I do, but as long as you see them through man made doctrine you will never see them no different.

It was the Jews that God chose from the beginning His elect that God cut for unbelief.

Your hope is Jesus not your election for the very elect will be cut out for unbelief.

So as a gentile you must continue in the faith God has given you though His word or you will also be cut out.

If God did not spare the natural branches He will not spare you either.

If the unbelieving Jews do not continue in thier unbelief He will graft them in again.

You see they were cut out for unbelief.

Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness. As his children our believers who enter into the new covenant, not the elect, because they were cut out for unbelief. We are not elected to believe, but believers are elected to salvation. We are given our belief and our faith through the word of God, it is our choice to accept them ae not.

Your hope is not election but in Jesus, continue in that belief.

 

[Jeep Dragon]

The scripture i gave you, if you see them through the eyes of God loving the word that He sent His Son you will see them as I do, but as long as you see them through man made doctrine you will never see them no different.

It was the Jews that God chose from the beginning His elect that God cut for unbelief.

Your hope is Jesus not your election for the very elect will be cut out for unbelief.

It seems as if people are talking over each other's head concerning the term "elect." Some refer to elect as God's chosen nation Israel while others interpret it as God's chosen people regenerate. The term "elect" does not always have the same specific definition everywhere in the Bible. It's context interprets its definition. The word simply means "chosen." "Chosen for what" is defined in the context.

(Isa 42:1) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

The term just means "chosen one." The context means "chosen for this special purpose. If God was just trying to reitterate that his is saved, it would be pointless in the context and could lead one to believe that his outward appearance of being "elect" had to be assured.

(Isa 45:4) For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

(Isa 65:9) And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

(Isa 65:22) They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

The terms just mean "chosen one." The context means "the chosen nation of Israel" or "God's people."

(Mat 24:23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
(Mat 24:24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

This one may be debated. I still think the context is referring to the nation of Israel because Jesus is talking to His disciples about the return of their Messiah. At this time the nation of Israel were the one's looking forward to their Messiah freeing them from oppression.

(Mar 13:27) And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

This one can be debated because of who Jesus was talking to, but I see it referring to the saved, because we believe that all saved people will be raptured rather than just the Jews. Besides, the Jews were not scattered among the four winds of the earth at this time. The term elect was also a different Greek word, but still meant "chosen."

(Rom 8:28) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
(Rom 8:29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
(Rom 8:30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
(Rom 8:31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
(Rom 8:32) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
(Rom 8:33) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Elect in this context obviously refers to believers. You can pretty much assume that the term "elect" before Christ's resurrection meant the nation of Israel, and afterwards meant the believers. Still, you must view it in context with an open mind not filtered by any closed philosophy.

 

[jne1611]

The scripture i gave you, if you see them through the eyes of God loving the word that He sent His Son you will see them as I do, but as long as you see them through man made doctrine you will never see them no different.

It was the Jews that God chose from the beginning His elect that God cut for unbelief.

Your hope is Jesus not your election for the very elect will be cut out for unbelief.

So as a gentile you must continue in the faith God has given you though His word or you will also be cut out.

If God did not spare the natural branches He will not spare you either.

If the unbelieving Jews do not continue in thier unbelief He will graft them in again.

You see they were cut out for unbelief.

Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness. As his children our believers who enter into the new covenant, not the elect, because they were cut out for unbelief. We are not elected to believe, but believers are elected to salvation. We are given our belief and our faith through the word of God, it is our choice to accept them ae not.

Your hope is not election but in Jesus, continue in that belief.

I'll agree that my hope is in Jesus, but without God's election, I would not be in Jesus. Eph. 1:4. There is no way you are elected because you believe considering the elect were chosen (elected) before the foundation of the world, before they believed.

 

[psalms109:31]

Belief

We have the truth.

Who was Paul speaking to in His letters, believers right.

So who has He before the foundation of the world decided to save. It is believers.

It is not in the chosen that we are saved, but belief in the only one who can save us.

The Jews was not cut out because they were not chosen, but as the scripture says for unbelief.

So as a gentile do not be arragont but afraid, if God did not spare the natural branches He will not Spare you either.

As the Jewish elect, if you do not continue in your unbelief He graft you in again.

We as gentiles are included with the believing Jews, when we heard the gospel of our salvation having believed.

Jesus taught, God loved the world that He sent His son, that whosoever believes in Him shall be saved, and God want all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

This world hope is Jesus not election for even the very elect will be cut out for unbelief.

Just come to Jesus, don't let these men give you excuses not to come, and Jesus will no wise cast you out.

Men from the beginning wanted to blame God. First it was the snake you created, it was the women you gave me, today it is because God didn't chose me, but you cannot because God as given all men, the world a hope through Jesus.

You can trust in Jesus to do what He says He will do.