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+1 for Calvinism?
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psalms109:31
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salvation
I am a believer and as the scripture say a believer is saved, but if I turn away from the Lord and disown Him, He will disown me.
My hope is in Jesus, if I do not continue in God kindness I will be cut out.
We must endure to the end, just as Jesus has said to be saved.
You can't go around the truth of the words of Jesus.
If you love anything more that Jesus, then we are not worthy of Him.
Isaiah 26:4
Trust in the Lord always,for the Lord God is the eternal Rock.
I am a believer and as the scripture say a believer is saved, but if I turn away from the Lord and disown Him, He will disown me.
My hope is in Jesus, if I do not continue in God kindness I will be cut out.
We must endure to the end, just as Jesus has said to be saved.
You can't go around the truth of the words of Jesus.
If you love anything more that Jesus, then we are not worthy of Him.
Isaiah 26:4
Trust in the Lord always,for the Lord God is the eternal Rock.
psalms109:31
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scripture
Scripture is either a lie or the truth.
Jesus is no deceiver we must endure to the end to be saved.
It is as the scripture says that men will do with the teaching of Paul.
2 Peter 3:
11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
We are to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
The greatest example of this was done by a women who was married 5 times and the one she was living with was not her husband
Scripture is either a lie or the truth.
Jesus is no deceiver we must endure to the end to be saved.
It is as the scripture says that men will do with the teaching of Paul.
2 Peter 3:
11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
We are to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
The greatest example of this was done by a women who was married 5 times and the one she was living with was not her husband
psalms109:31 said:
Sir, to teach that you can be lost after salvation is the biggest wresting of Scripture you can shell out! And no Jesus is not a deceiver, but you have to take the Scripture as a whole. Who will endure but those who have the faith of Gods elect? Which faith is kept sustained by God's power, not our own!
Psalm, if Jesus is not a deceiver, then how do you know when you have walked away from Him? How do you know when He has disowned you? You are being way too generic. Paul is talking about patience as you obviously mentioned. "Saved" and "Salvation" simply mean deliverance. Deliverance from what is defined in the context. The patience to wait until your life has been lived before you go to heaven (saved from the presence of sin) is what Paul is referring to.
You quoted (Philippians 2:12) "... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
Why did you stop there?
(Philippians 2:13) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
This verse can sound Calvinistic. It seems to finish what verse 12 started. Remember, "salvation" means "deliverance." In this context is means "sanctification." Look at the verses around this passage. It is talking about shinning amongst a crooked and perverse generation.
Whenever you see English words that have been stuck into our minds as some sort of "Christian Term" look at the concordance. The same with the word "baptism." It simply means "to submerge." Us English-speaking people need to "get a life" when it comes to "terms." Terms must always be defined in their context.
You quoted (Philippians 2:12) "... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
Why did you stop there?
(Philippians 2:13) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
This verse can sound Calvinistic. It seems to finish what verse 12 started. Remember, "salvation" means "deliverance." In this context is means "sanctification." Look at the verses around this passage. It is talking about shinning amongst a crooked and perverse generation.
Whenever you see English words that have been stuck into our minds as some sort of "Christian Term" look at the concordance. The same with the word "baptism." It simply means "to submerge." Us English-speaking people need to "get a life" when it comes to "terms." Terms must always be defined in their context.
psalms109:31
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Salvation
Salvation is is in Jesus only those who remain in Him are saved. We must endure to the end to be saved.
Jesus is the salvation.
Only Jesus has been saved and those who remain in Him.
Our contract with God is those who believe in Him shall be saved, and those who do not will be condemned.
See God loves the world and gave every one a hope through Jesus Christ, and has made us the messenger of it.
It is true God does what all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, there is hope for all men.
See you are going to have to depend on God through Jesus.
Sacrifice is not what God requires from us, it is acknowledgement of Him.
God has set all rules and regulation aside, even the ones you have placed before men, and gave us a better hope, to draw near to God through Jesus.
Only Jesus is worthy of salvation, so cling unto Him your only hope.
The elected Jews where cut out for unbelief, so Do not be aragont but afraid if God did not spare these natural branches He will not spare us either.
It is God working through you through His word and His word is His good pleasure. So work out your salvation in fear and trembling for this world sake.
They are looking for the hope you have for them.
You want to try so hard to take away the key of knowledge.
Trying to hinder those who are trying to enter.
God loved this world that He gave His Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall be saved. God has not excluded any one from this believers shall not perish but have eternal life.
God did not send His Son to condemn the world but to save it.
Do not believe the lies, any one of you can enter, God is not stopping any of you.
God loved the world that He sent His Son.
People like pink what to limit the grace of God through Jesus, but God has opened the door to the world through Jesus.
The devil is spreading a lie that God has just closed the door on some without any hope. He is a murderer from the beginning
Salvation is is in Jesus only those who remain in Him are saved. We must endure to the end to be saved.
Jesus is the salvation.
Only Jesus has been saved and those who remain in Him.
Our contract with God is those who believe in Him shall be saved, and those who do not will be condemned.
See God loves the world and gave every one a hope through Jesus Christ, and has made us the messenger of it.
It is true God does what all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, there is hope for all men.
See you are going to have to depend on God through Jesus.
Sacrifice is not what God requires from us, it is acknowledgement of Him.
God has set all rules and regulation aside, even the ones you have placed before men, and gave us a better hope, to draw near to God through Jesus.
Only Jesus is worthy of salvation, so cling unto Him your only hope.
The elected Jews where cut out for unbelief, so Do not be aragont but afraid if God did not spare these natural branches He will not spare us either.
It is God working through you through His word and His word is His good pleasure. So work out your salvation in fear and trembling for this world sake.
They are looking for the hope you have for them.
You want to try so hard to take away the key of knowledge.
Trying to hinder those who are trying to enter.
God loved this world that He gave His Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall be saved. God has not excluded any one from this believers shall not perish but have eternal life.
God did not send His Son to condemn the world but to save it.
Do not believe the lies, any one of you can enter, God is not stopping any of you.
God loved the world that He sent His Son.
People like pink what to limit the grace of God through Jesus, but God has opened the door to the world through Jesus.
The devil is spreading a lie that God has just closed the door on some without any hope. He is a murderer from the beginning
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First and For the Record: I am not nor have ever been a Calvinist.
Secondly:
You do not strive to enter. We enter based upon the completed work of Christ.
Thirdly:
We are to cling to Christ, but in the sense that you can lose your salvation. But that we are to continue with and in Him for sanctification and rewards.
Fourthly:
What God requires IS NOT acknowledgment of Him but absolute dependence upon Him. We must trust soly in Him alone for our salvation and not our works.
Yes Faith WITHOUT works is a dead or vain faith.
Faith WITH works is a faith that is alive (or bearing fruit), not hoping for life base upon your fruit - works of staying close to Jesus.
Scripture states: HE (Jesus) is the AUTHOR (initiator and beginning) and the FINISHER (Culminator or Completor) of Our Faith (salvation).
Secondly:
You do not strive to enter. We enter based upon the completed work of Christ.
Thirdly:
We are to cling to Christ, but in the sense that you can lose your salvation. But that we are to continue with and in Him for sanctification and rewards.
Fourthly:
What God requires IS NOT acknowledgment of Him but absolute dependence upon Him. We must trust soly in Him alone for our salvation and not our works.
Yes Faith WITHOUT works is a dead or vain faith.
Faith WITH works is a faith that is alive (or bearing fruit), not hoping for life base upon your fruit - works of staying close to Jesus.
Scripture states: HE (Jesus) is the AUTHOR (initiator and beginning) and the FINISHER (Culminator or Completor) of Our Faith (salvation).
People have probably already pointed all this out to you, but what the heck.psalms109:31 said:
1. The context of this is end times, and a period of deception and tribulation.
2. shall be saved is future. You are arguing as if this means you have to maintain your salvation, but this verse says they shall be saved, with the assumption being they are NOT saved, but shall be saved IF they endure.
Personally, I think it is obvious that this is not referring to salvation as in "eternal life". This is saying that those who endure will make it through this rough period intact. Regardless, even if you disagree, you're stuck with the problem of "shall be", which doesn't fit what you're trying to prove.
If I were you, I would pay careful attention to the part about distorting the scriptures.psalms109:31 said:
Immediately after which, the Bible says, FOR [BECAUSE] It is God who works in you to will and to do according to His good pleasure. Personally, I interpret this passage to mean "If you're so stupid as to think you can work out your own salvation, then you'd better do so with fear and trembling, because it isn't you, it's GOD who works in you to will and to do according to HIS good pleasure, not YOURS." You don't have to agree with that interpretation, and I'm not saying it MUST be the correct one. But you still can't discard the clear verse that follows. BECAUSE it is God who works in you to will and to do according to His good pleasure.psalms109:31 said:
psalms109:31
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God's Good pleasure
Every thing non believer does is not in God will even in times you believe and following God's will does not mean that you are in unbelief.
We are doing God's will and God pleasure when we are following His. His word is the only guiding point we have.
Jesus says the Holy Spirit will remind us what Jesus says, but it is still our choose to follow it.
If we are not following we are are not doing God's will.
If you beat your children with the rod and not lead them with it, then you are not in God's will.
If you do not love your spouse and misstreat them, and have an affair on them you are not in God's will.
All these evil causes divorce and destroys family God's first astablished church, divorce that God hates.
God will work out these evils for the good of those who love them.
God commands us to love one another, if we are not doing this we are not in God's will and Good pleasure.
We are saved by the works of Jesus that no longer try to work out our own salvation, but the salvation of others.
We are to be light to this world, but the light is pretty dim that it only attracks bugs.
Every thing non believer does is not in God will even in times you believe and following God's will does not mean that you are in unbelief.
We are doing God's will and God pleasure when we are following His. His word is the only guiding point we have.
Jesus says the Holy Spirit will remind us what Jesus says, but it is still our choose to follow it.
If we are not following we are are not doing God's will.
If you beat your children with the rod and not lead them with it, then you are not in God's will.
If you do not love your spouse and misstreat them, and have an affair on them you are not in God's will.
All these evil causes divorce and destroys family God's first astablished church, divorce that God hates.
God will work out these evils for the good of those who love them.
God commands us to love one another, if we are not doing this we are not in God's will and Good pleasure.
We are saved by the works of Jesus that no longer try to work out our own salvation, but the salvation of others.
We are to be light to this world, but the light is pretty dim that it only attracks bugs.
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So then you agree one can not leave their salvation since we do not have to work out our salvation.
By necessity in order to leave it must be your desire to be seperated, and by the very nature of our salvation being a new nature that clings to God and desires fellowship with God there will never come a point where a born-again beleiver will ever desire such.
Right?
psalms109:31
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leaving
If we leave it, we have never entered it.
Knowing what Christ did for us, we cannot go back to the life we once lived.
If we leave it, we have never entered it.
Knowing what Christ did for us, we cannot go back to the life we once lived.
I have lost him completely. He seems to advocate the lose of salvation & then says you cant leave it if you have it?Allan said:
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No Bro. I am talking about Ps.:laugh: I should have put that on his comment for clarification.Allan said:
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psalms109:31
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Belief
Belief is the seed planted, when the seed is not buried deep in our heart than satan can just steal it from us.
If we let trials and tribulations choke it out then we have not accepted it.
When we have the seed planted deeply and not let trials and triibulations choke it out then and only then do we have it.
We are able to leave, leaving proves we have not received it or we would have never left.
If your faith has not been tested by the fire, you pretty much keep it to yourself.
James 2:14
[ Faith and Deeds ] What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?
Belief is the seed planted, when the seed is not buried deep in our heart than satan can just steal it from us.
If we let trials and tribulations choke it out then we have not accepted it.
When we have the seed planted deeply and not let trials and triibulations choke it out then and only then do we have it.
We are able to leave, leaving proves we have not received it or we would have never left.
If your faith has not been tested by the fire, you pretty much keep it to yourself.
James 2:14
[ Faith and Deeds ] What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?