Yes, that is what I am suggesting the passage states. Our sins are not overlooked. They are forgiven based on the accomplished work of Christ.
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You have left out the Lord Jesus Christ.
'"For My thoughts are not Your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD. "For as the heavens are higherthan the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts"' (Isaiah 55:8-9).
Evideintly not for you.
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No, I did not.
By "Christ" I mean "the Lord Jesus Christ".
"Repent", "turn from wickedness", "turn to God", be "made a new creation in Christ", make "a new heart", "God takes out our old heart and spirit", "God gives us a new heart and spirit", God puts His Spirit in us", we "die to sin", we "are made alive in Christ", we are "made into the image of Christ", we "put to death our old selves"....
This is the work of Jesus Christ. He is this "life giving spirit". He is the Life.
Now, if you prefer you can replace "Christ" with "the Lord Jesus Christ" but I use cut snd paste on my list (you have a problem with "Christ", so you can make that change).
My point is not onky what you believe is required is not in God's words but you also minimize (if not outright deny) what is in God's words.
I am still not clear on what you consider the accomplished work of Christ to be, and how they lead to the forgiveness of our sins.
Firstly, I have looked through your post #79 again and I can still see no mention of the Lord Jesus Christ (I think it's nice to give Him His full title sometimes, don't you?).
Secondly, you are missing the nub of the whole matter. You are missing the point of first importance Why did Paul say that he determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified? Because, 'For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that He was buried, that He was raised from the dead on the third day according to the Scriptures ......' (1 Cor. 15:3-4). What do the Scriptures say about the Lord Jesus dying for our sins 'according to the Scriptures'? 'But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed...... the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.'
All the rest is not of no importance, but they flow from the most important thing the Lord Jesus taking our sins upon Himself and paying the penalty for them in full. His rising from the dead is of equal importance, but that is not the matter at issue.
I view the accomplished work of Christ to be the reconciliation of man to God. This does not lead to the forgiveness of sins. This is (includes) the forgiveness of sins.
In other words, I view the Cross as God reconciling mankind to Himself, not counting sins against them.
Christ is the surety of a better covenant.
Excellent! How is the cross, which Paul says is of first importance, the forgiveness of sins?
We have had:
Which sounds like an awful lot of work. How is the cross the forgiveness of sins?JonC said:
Why does the cross lead God not to count mankind's sins against them? I know, but I want to see what you think.
What do you think a "surety" is? Well, to save time, I'll tell you. A surety is someone who takes on and guarantees the debts of someone else. Paul offers to be a surety for Onesimus in Philemon 18-19. There are verses in Proverbs advising people not to become sureties (Prov. 6:1-5; 11:15) because if the person for whom one is surety defaults, the lender will come after him as if the debts are really his. We owe God a debt of righteousness that we are by no means able to pay, having no righteousness of our own. The Lord Jesus has graciously agreed to be our Surety. He has no debt of righteousness to pay for Himself, but on the cross He paid our debt in full (c.f. Heb. 10:12) so that God can say, "Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more" (Heb. 10:17). The price is paid; we have been redeemed (Rev. 5:9-10). Alleluia!
I used "surety" for the kjv folk. The word is ἔγγυος which means "guarantee".
Paul does not say the forgiveness of sins is of first importance. Christ's death is the reconciliation of man to God and God forgiving the sins of man.
The "how" Christ's death effects our forgiveness is not as superficial as God punishing our sins on Jesus. The "how" is by His righteousness, Christ becoming the "Second Adam" (reconciling man to God).
@Martin Marprelate
A way of putting it that may help is I believe the Atonement addressed the cause (unrighteousness) rather than the symptom (sins), thereby taking care of thar symptom.
That is what I mean by the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement being too superficial.
We still bear our sins in the flesh and due in our bodies because of sin. But we are made alive because of righteousness.
God predestined those in Christ to be made in His likeness, to be justified and to be glorified. He Himself is the Propitiation for our sins and the guarantee of a better covenant.
We are now declared just based on this guarantee (Christ Himself) as we are predestined to be conformed into Hos likeness.
A way of putting it that may help is I believe the Atonement addressed the cause (unrighteousness) rather than the symptom (sins), thereby taking care of thar symptom.
That is what I mean by the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement being too superficial.
We still bear our sins in the flesh and due in our bodies because of sin. But we are made alive because of righteousness.
God predestined those in Christ to be made in His likeness, to be justified and to be glorified. He Himself is the Propitiation for our sins and the guarantee of a better covenant.
We are now declared just based on this guarantee (Christ Himself) as we are predestined to be conformed into Hos likeness.