1Peter 1:16

[saturneptune]

As Romans 7 and 8 make clear, it will be a battle to the day we leave this earth. Now, we can progress towards being like Christ. I think the bottom line is you should praise God daily for that battle. What a better assurance of salvation. If there is no spiritual warfare within a person, there is no salvation.

 

[Judith]

The practical side of this is once a Christian realizes his position in Christ it brings on a love for practical righteousness because of such a great love that Christ bestowed on us. And even though in the flesh we fall many times, our hearts goes out to God and our great longing is to finally be done with sin. The legalist depends on keeping the law to take away sin, the believer knows the righteousness of Christ has taken away his sin, and in this he is satisfied. Christ is our salvation period.

Sorry but I guess I missed something in your response because it makes no sence to me.

 

[Judith]

In Rev 21 verse 4 it say's former things are passed away so would not temptation be included among those former things ?

So does htis mean we will not remember that we were sinners and Christ paid for our sins? I ask that because I would like to know how far you think this goes?

 

[Judith]

no, rather that the atonement of jesus upon the Cross paid for ALL my sins ever to be done, so ALWAYS was ready for heaven, once reborn again!

 

[Judith]

if we shall be as he now is in moral perfection, how we can there be any temtation remaining, as our sin natures been thrown off us, and have fully the mind of Christ then? Fully in presense of God?

What passage are you refering to that teaches this?

 

[Judith]

The angels that fell were non elect, in 1 Tim 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels. All are either elect or non elect, even Christ; 1 Pet 2:6 Behold I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

What does that have to do with an ability or inability to sin?

 

[Judith]

Heaven is a condition, not a place. The place may be anywhere so long as the condition of Heaven is within. Luke 17:21 Jesus makes our position very clear but man prefers to follow Paul. Maybe it is comfort in numbers as in 1st Thessalonians 5:19.

Then why did the Lord say He was going ahead to prepare a place for us which has many dwelling places and where He is we will be?

 

[Judith]

As Romans 7 and 8 make clear, it will be a battle to the day we leave this earth. Now, we can progress towards being like Christ. I think the bottom line is you should praise God daily for that battle. What a better assurance of salvation. If there is no spiritual warfare within a person, there is no salvation.

I am not sure that is a good test. The bible never says that. I am inclined that many lost people battle with sin and some for religious or spiritual reasons. Many Catholics are one example. The test the bible gives is if we keep His commandments, not if we are in a battle. That being the question remains will we be tempted in our new bodies?

 

[Yeshua1]

What passage are you refering to that teaches this?

We know that NO sin can get into heaven, and know that when jesus appears, and we see Hom, we shall then become as He now is!

Full mind of chrsit will be included, as NO sin nature remains within us anymore!

Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.

1 John 3:2 Nasb

 

[Judith]

We know that NO sin can get into heaven, and know that when jesus appears, and we see Hom, we shall then become as He now is!

Full mind of chrsit will be included, as NO sin nature remains within us anymore!
Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.

1 John 3:2 Nasb

So you think that passage means we will know everything He knows, we will have omnesience?

 

[Camery]

Then why did the Lord say He was going ahead to prepare a place for us which has many dwelling places and where He is we will be?

In my opinion if it is physical, which must some day pass away, it is a place, but if it is spiritual which is eternal it is a condition which may be any place, therefore where He is we will be also. So I believe the mansions which Jesus is building for us is spiritual.

 

[Judith]

In my opinion if it is physical, which must some day pass away, it is a place, but if it is spiritual which is eternal it is a condition which may be any place, therefore where He is we will be also. So I believe the mansions which Jesus is building for us is spiritual.

I am not sure how one comes up with that rational as heaven is mentioned over 600 times in the bible and it is NEVER spiritualized as it is always spoken of as a literal place. I would be careful equating physical with literal. There is a literal God, but He is spirit not physical as many think of the term. The same with heaven and it being a real literal place. None the less, Can you explain what a spiritual mansion looks like or is and where did Jesus go away to?

 

[salzer mtn]

So does htis mean we will not remember that we were sinners and Christ paid for our sins? I ask that because I would like to know how far you think this goes?

If I was to dwell now on what I was and what I did before Christ saved me it would bring a sadness, a melancholy state of mind to the point I could not enjoy my salvation. Heaven would not be piece of mind if I carried this state with me. On the other hand when we get there I think we will know we are undeserving and Christ paid it all.

 

[salzer mtn]

Sorry but I guess I missed something in your response because it makes no sence to me.

This can only be taught by the Holy Ghost.

 

[Judith]

If I was to dwell now on what I was and what I did before Christ saved me it would bring a sadness, a melancholy state of mind to the point I could not enjoy my salvation. Heaven would not be piece of mind if I carried this state with me. On the other hand when we get there I think we will know we are undeserving and Christ paid it all.

Are you aware that there are people in heaven today that are weeping?
Rev 7:15-17.

 

[Judith]

This can only be taught by the Holy Ghost.

Sounds deep and spiritual.

 

[salzer mtn]

Are you aware that there are people in heaven today that are weeping?
Rev 7:15-17.

It also say's they will hunger no more or thirst. All of this including the crying will pass away once we shed these bodies. It will all be passed tense in heaven.

 

[percho]

The Covenant death of Jesus applies His perfection to all of the elect.His active obedience is actually graced to us. We are made perfect in Union with Him.

Yet we are still flesh and blood.

 

[percho]

In my opinion if it is physical, which must some day pass away, it is a place, but if it is spiritual which is eternal it is a condition which may be any place, therefore where He is we will be also. So I believe the mansions which Jesus is building for us is spiritual.

He went to prepare a spiritual body for us, for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

We are living souls just as the created Adam became upon being given breathing life from God. Adam was created the figure of him to come. The Christ, the Son of God, the Son of man was a living soul subject to death and corruption, and he died, and was then raised quickening Spirit.

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1 Cor 15:46 That verse is speaking of the resurrected Christ, for he to date is the only one so resurrected.

Jesus is the firstborn from the dead. To die no more. Incorruptible, his flesh did not see corruption.

Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.


When we are born again in that image we neither will sin no more.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Romans 8:29

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

 

[Iconoclast]

Yet we are still flesh and blood.

yes, that is why we are to mortify sin,


5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: