2,460th U.S. Soldier Killed in Iraq

[poncho]

Without consequences of course. In Germany, Japan, and now Iraq, US Soldiers have been tried for crimes. A recent report will probably lead to a murder trial against some Marines.

You are still talking oranges and apples

No I'm just looking at the bigger picture. We're an empire ruled not by those we elect or think we choose but by greedy international bankers and mega monopolized business interests. Right now just a mowe're the bad cop and the UN is the good cop.

Do you really think the rest of the world looks at us in fear and suspicion now by chance? No, it's all by design so that later the UN can come in and force their will even more on us...a once free soverein nation.

A few people will be prosecuted but not the system that helped spawn them. That will be enough to keep most folks happily going along with the expansion of the empire and the disolution of our own republic so it can be easily absorbed into the NWO.

Please cite the instance where we have fed Germans or Japanese to the lions... or even driven our tanks over their crops without paying for them.

We've had troops run over an Iraqi's taxi cab with a tank because he "allegedly" stole some fire wood and that's mild compared to other things that were caught on video. You really should keep up with current events more.

I see a whole bunch of words but no proof. You made a generalized statement about being constantly under surveillance by corrupt people. Where's your proof?

Sheesh, how many times do I have to repeat repeat repeat it? It's in the documents! It's in the news it's everywhere how is it that you keep missing it, like my mother says "LOOK OUT" if it were a snake it would bite you!

And that relates to proving constant surveillance how?

Reminds me of being on a carnival ride, round and round and round we go always demanding to be shown the "proof" staring us right in the face.

I don't deny the obvious. I deny the ludicrous and doubt the unproven. FTR, I don't think Satan once loosed by God needs shadow organizations or human conspiracies to carry out his plans.

No he didn't need to use Eve to deceive Adam either did he?

Whose documents? In context or spun?

What documents have I been talking about and posting links to for the last two years and two months, the same ones you never bother to read maybe?

No. They start as idealist movements usually built around a person or small group.

Such as the neocons?

Hardly.

This sure would be a heck of alot easier if this were a dictatorship, especially if I were the dictator...heh heh heh. George W. Bush

Airplanes flying into high rise work places. Bombs on commuter trains. Terrorists in Russian elementary schools. Terrorists blowing up Israeli school buses. Islamofascists declaring that the "Great Satan" must die. Civilians being captured and decapitated for the viewing pleasure of muslim extremists. Mobs of Somalis mutilating the bodies of US Army soldiers.

The big terrorist attacks always have links back to intelligence agecies. Bin Laden-CIA Aswatt-MI5 the first WTC bombing in 93-FBI, insider trading trading before 911 etc.

Six ways to fake a suicide bombing...

1. Give a young person an "important package" to deliver, along with a large amount of cash as a delivery fee. When the person has arrived at the delivery point, press the electronic trigger that sets off the explosives in the package.

2. Prepare a car or truck with explosives, place a cadaver next to the explosives, drive the vehicle to the place where the explosion is to occur, leave the vehicle, walk to a safe distance, then press the electronic trigger.

3. Strap explosives to a cadaver, place it in a large cardboard box or other screening contrivance, drive it to the planned explosion point, unload the item as though making a delivery and let it sit there until most people have forgotten about it, then press the electronic trigger.

4. Strap explosives to a person who is so heavily drugged that he/she has no idea what you are doing and can barely stand up. Drive the person to a crowded venue, let him/her out of the vehicle, then drive quickly off and press the electronic trigger.

5. Locate a clinically depressed (suicidal) person who has no particular commitment to Islam, but who hates the target group. Then facilitate the bombing by adding the right drug, if necessary. The operation then proceeds as above, but with the full cooperation of the bomber. Simply press the electronic trigger.

It took relatively little time to come up with these methods. Here's yet another method, just in:

6. Haul someone over for a licence or other traffic violation and impound their vehicle while they pursue legal paperwork. Plant explosives under the back seat. When the owner of the vehicle returns to claim his car, direct him to a particular police station for final clearance. The charge is detonated as the driver passes the target area. We have good information that this last method, basically a combination of methods 1 and 2, is in actual use.

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The hatred that Muslims have for Christians and Jews is reality. It isn't something someone made up. It has existed for centuries.

Yes it is real for some small extremist groups and those are the ones P2OG is designed to stir up and activate.

I believe you. I just don't believe that they are as pervasive or as much in control as you do.

Good book you can find online written in 1899 called The Coming Battle. Google it up and read how they were in control back then.

Hitler made a power grab that had many different angles. One was fear another was propaganda another was a strong sense of nationalism.

Yet you fail to see the very same thing happening in our own society today. How? You think the German people figured they were the bad guys or the good guys during all that? Did they think their's was a "just war"? Have you read Goebells speeches at all?

Compared to my parents generation, I would say that mine is much less likely to accept this.

They didn't have the internet and independent media to hold the MSM feet to the fire. But then a big boom or biothreat released by the elite would get everyone begging for the "government" to save them, "here are all my rights take them and the U.S. Constitution and burn them if you must just keep me safe".

 

[Scott J]

Wow Poncho. You play a great Mel Gibson.

They didn't have the internet and independent media to hold the MSM feet to the fire. But then a big boom or biothreat released by the elite would get everyone begging for the "government" to save them, "here are all my rights take them and the U.S. Constitution and burn them if you must just keep me safe".

Actually I'd look for just the opposite... though it would still leave a power vacuum on the world political stage.

If we get nuked or something on that order, I'd be surprised if we didn't go hyper-isolationist... after exacting revenge if we could find the culprit.

Assuming they'd target major cities (regardless of who is behind it), they'd leave a country much more conservative/libertarian... not to mention suspicious. This conspiracy you imagine would have to put an incredible occupation force together. And if we can't do it to Iraq... I don't think they'll be able to do it in my neck of Missouri.

 

[emeraldctyangel]

To the OP:

And there are approximately 1,392,934 (give or take a few boot camp graduating classes) of us still alive and fighting. How nice of you to remember us.

With all that rhetoric about whose service was more important than that of another I remind you: We are all part of the picture. Some of us are the eyeball and some are in the background. But none can exist without the other.

Since you folks need entertainment, here is something if you are terribly interested in death of service members:
Active duty deaths during Clinton's first four years (1993 - 1996): 4302

Active duty deaths during Bush's first four years (2001 - 2004): 5187

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Originally posted by Scott J:
"One thing is for sure. SN's family didn't sacrifice as much to the founding of our nation as Scott's family did.

Oh yea, well my daddy's bigger than your daddy!

 

[poncho]

Well from the reaction to 911 in which Bush was enjoying his highest poll numbers the people went along with everything he said. The libertarians and civil liberties groups were either demonized or ignored by the media. God forbid we do have another large scale attack but what do you think the media is going to be saying, submit, obey go along it's for your own good. Same thing your preacher will probably be saying.

All this has already been prepared for, like I keep saying over and over it's in the documents. Tommy Franks himself said that in the event of another attack the U.S. Constitution would be set aside and we'd be under martial law. That's perfect for wannabe dictators like the Bush's and Clintons.

Or as Senator Gary Hart said right after 911 at a CFR meeting, looking foward to the day when G.H.W. Bush's dream would be realized. Click here to listen to it come out of the horse's mouth.

If you haven't had the opportunity or interest to read Goebells speeches yet let me sum them up for you.

The terrorists! The fatherland! The terrorists! The fatherland! The terrorists! The fatherland The terrorists! The fatherland! The terrorists! The fatherland! The terrorists! The fatherland!

Now let's sum up Dubya's speeches.

The terrorists! The homeland! The terrorists! The homeland! The terrorists! The homeland! The terrorists! The homeland! The terrorists! The homeland! The terrorists! The homeland! The terrorists! The homeland!

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:

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My point exactly.

When I took my oath and was trained by the US Army, I clearly understood that my service was ultimately under civilian authority. Civilians, the vast majority having never served in the military, had the absolute "right" to send me where they would through their elected representatives. There was never even a hint of the notion that only those with direct experience had the moral imperative to influence such decisions.

I didn't trust nor like Clinton or Bush I. But they were in charge for most of my 7 years in the Reserves. Had their policies resulted in my being ordered to duty, I'd have gone. I swore an oath that obligated me to submitted service to the Constitutional officers of the USA... and as repulsive as it was for me personally, at one time my commander in chief was Bill Clinton.

I really don't know where our resident hero got the notion that civilian opinions aren't worthy to be heard. Everything I was ever taught concerning my service is that I might be asked to die to secure the right of people to speak freely... even people who disagreed with me.

[ May 26, 2006, 10:11 PM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by emeraldctyangel:
To the OP:

And there are approximately 1,392,934 (give or take a few boot camp graduating classes) of us still alive and fighting. How nice of you to remember us.

With all that rhetoric about whose service was more important than that of another I remind you: We are all part of the picture. Some of us are the eyeball and some are in the background. But none can exist without the other.

Since you folks need entertainment, here is something if you are terribly interested in death of service members:
Active duty deaths during Clinton's first four years (1993 - 1996): 4302

Active duty deaths during Bush's first four years (2001 - 2004): 5187

Any ideas on the last two under Bush?

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Daisy:
... while the Civil War, aka the War Between the States aka the War of Northern Agression, remains the champion bloodiest war for the US to date, even without sophicated modern weapons and warfare.

The US Civil War is actually considered the first modern war. The weapons weren't as sophisticated but one of the reasons it was so bloody is that the weaponary had greatly outpaced the small unit tactics.

 

[AF Guy N Paradise]

I have lots of friends that have been and that are in Iraq and other very dangerous places. Let us never forget them and pray for them daily...

 

[LadyEagle]

MODERATOR NOTE: This thread has gotten out of hand. It is on page 4. Since we have a 3-page limit and since it has gotten out of hand, it is being closed.

I would like to thank Scott J for asking me to edit some of his posts, to which I have tried to oblige.

Some of these issues tend to bring out a lot of emotion. Let us all please kindly bear in mind that this is a Christian Board and while we may disagree, we still have a witness before the world and those who visit this board.

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