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Austin,
This is why I ask Van for clarification.
Quantrill,
I'll give this one more try...
What I'm trying to do is to get you to see that if someone reconciles themselves to another ( in this case, God reconciling the "world" ( which you seem to think means every man, woman and child who ever lived ) to Himself, then that person or group has had their relations made friendly again.
The Lord would then look favorably upon them, and not unfavorably.
That's what "reconcile" means, at least to me...to make friends with and to bestow favor on.
For example:
If I were to have an argument with my brother over something, and we become enemies...
Then I were to go to Him, asking forgiveness and he does so,
Then our relationship is restored and we are reconciled to one another.
We go from being enemies, to friends again.
It's the same with the Lord.
Yet the Lord clearly says this of those He has, apparently ( if I'm understanding you correctly ) reconciled to Himself:
" Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" ( Matthew 25:41 ).
" If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema. Maranatha." ( 1 Corinthians 16:22 ). <--- "Anathema" means "cursed".
" But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." ( Galatians 1:8-9 ). <--- Those that preach another gospel are accursed.
Question:
How can God curse those that He has reconciled ( declared them to be His friends ) to Himself, when they are now His friends?
If you can honestly tell me that God casts His friends into Hell, then I'll have to accept that.
But I cannot agree with the contradiction presented when the word "world" is used to describe every man, woman and child that ever lived in 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.
As I see it, the "us" in verse 18 are believers out of every tongue, tribe and nation ( Revelation 5:9, Revelation 7:9 ) and only include "them which are called, both Jews and Greeks ( 1 Corinthians 1:24 )".
To me, they are the "world" in verse 19.
This will be my final reply to you in this thread.
As always,
I wish you well, sir, and I bid you a good morning and rest of the day.
Yet another false claim. Here it is again and you can quote me: The Calvinist gift of faith is a fiction. Full Stop.
Tell us exactly what you believe about faith, Van. Everything I have read from you is that faith is given to humans at conception. Do you wish to clarify?
