#2 Greek Tenses and OSAS

[Faith alone]

Originally posted by BobRyan:
The seal of the Holy Spirit is not a branding iron removing free will (as some like to infer).

The seal of the Holy Spirit is the pledge given of eternal life to those that "persevere".

The Bible is very very clear on the relationship between persevering and obtaining the goal - the prize of eternal life. It is too late to pretend these texts do not exist.

The striving involved in perseverance –

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />2Peter 1:10-11
8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as
you practice these things, you will never stumble;
11 for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.

</font>[/QUOTE]You're evading the point. You state that "The seal of the Holy Spirit is the pledge given of eternal life to those that "persevere", whereas that is not what Ephesians 1:13, 14 says. It says...

Ephesians 1:13, 14 In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation -- in Him when you believed -- were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.

Notice that it does not say that we weresealed with the Holy Spirit after persevering... it says that we were sealed with the Spirit "after/when you believed."

So if you cannot show a perseverence required as a condition there, then this clearly says that by believing alone we are sealed by the Spirit and cannot lose salvation.

FA

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Faith alone:
Notice that it does not say that we weresealed with the Holy Spirit after persevering... it says that we were sealed with the Spirit "after/when you believed."

So if you cannot show a perseverence required as a condition there, then this clearly says that by believing alone we are sealed by the Spirit and cannot lose salvation.

FA

RIGHT

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

If we could "lose salvation", "ANY SIN" would cause us to lose it, sin is sin.

"WHO" stops sinning after being saved, NONE

We're not saved because of the "absents of sin", but "in spite of our sins", Jesus paid for "ALL OF THEM".

The "DEBT" of sin is "PAID", "IN FULL", Jesus isn't dying "again".

 

[BobRyan]

You state that "The seal of the Holy Spirit is the pledge given of eternal life to those that "persevere", whereas that is not what Ephesians 1:13, 14 says

I have SHOWN the relationship in scripture between the conditional nature of the promise of salvation and the Bible doctrine on perseverance.

You have been trying to "game" the Bible text in a way that says "it must all be in Eph 1:13-14 no other scripture can be included on the subject of the Gospel, salvation and the conditional nature of the promise".

You need to "game the text" rather than exegete it and I can see why as you continue to avoid the Bible texts on perseverance and the relationship the Bible draws between that and salvation.

Understood.

But why pretend that the "Seal" of the Holy Spirit is either not related to the Gospel promise of salvation OR that it must in some way negate the Bible teaching on the conditional nature of the gift as is seen in the Bible texts on perseverance.

How will "pretending" get you anywhere in an open discussion?

In Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

If we could "lose salvation", "ANY SIN" would cause us to lose it, sin is sin.

Please go back to the texts given here on perseverance and SHOW that the text says "any sin at all" will result in the SAME risk/damage/loss described IN THE TEXT about failure to persevere. SHOW your claim rather than imagining it for us.

Deal WITH the texts rather than outside of them.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

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Ephesians 1:13, 14 In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation -- in Him when you believed -- were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.
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Notice that it does NOT say "having been sealed you can not lost salvation.

Notice that it does NOT say "having been sealed you need not worry about the scripture's warnings regarding failure to persevere"

Notice that it does NOT say "having been sealed you lost your free will".

Notice that it does NOT say "having been sealed you no longer need to STRIVE as did Paul LEST He should be disqualified from the Gospel". 1Cor 9 end of chapter.

Notice that it does NOT says "Having been sealed you need not worry about the Romans 6 injunction to gain victory over sin as you are a SLAVE to the that which overcomes you"

The Ephesians one text is bent and wrenched by many today to meet their doctrinal usages -- but it can not be so easily edited to contradict scripture as many have supposed.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Originally posted by BobRyan:

1Cor 15:1-2
1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received,
in which also you stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by BobRyan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />
If we could "lose salvation", "ANY SIN" would cause us to lose it, sin is sin.

Please go back to the texts given here on perseverance and SHOW that the text says "any sin at all" will result in the SAME risk/damage/loss described IN THE TEXT about failure to persevere. SHOW your claim rather than imagining it for us.

Deal WITH the texts rather than outside of them.

In Christ,

Bob </font>[/QUOTE]1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

"ONE SIN" was all Adam/Eve committed.

Once you're saved, you're no long under "WRATH" but under "CHASTISEMENT", God only chastises "HIS OWN".

You can rebell against God to the point of forgetting you have been saved.

2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

If we allow the "old man" (body of sin) to be "resurrected", God will destroy the "OLD MAN", but still save the soul.

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Satan can't touch a "saved soul", it's "SEALED", but he can sure "devour" the "flesh".

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Names written the "Lamb's book of life" are "NEVER" erased, God doesn't make mistakes like that, however the "book of the living", are erased, never to be remembered.

Ps 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous. (in the lamb's book)

 

[Ed Edwards]

Faith Alone: //So if you cannot show a perseverence required
as a condition there, then this clearly says that by believing
alone we are sealed by the Spirit and cannot lose salvation.//

Amen, Sibling Faith Alone -- You are RIGHT ON!!

Over my 21+ year public bulletin board career I've started
several threads about "good works we should do now that we
are saved. Only one ever got to page two (and I had to do
most of the posts). Nobody is interested in delineating all
the good works a Christian is to do NOW THAT THEY ARE SAVED.
Strangely, about ¼ of the New Testament (N.T.) is relating things
that we who ARE SLAVES of Jesus will be doing.

Some are prone to read these things a saved person does
as that which saves a person. Such a reading is strange.
We are saved to do good works; we are NOT saved by our
good works.

Me4Him: //We're not saved because of the "absents of sin",
but "in spite of our sins", Jesus paid for "ALL OF THEM".//

Amen, Brother Me4Him -- Preach it!

BobRyan: //But why pretend that the "Seal" of the Holy Spirit is either not related to the Gospel promise of salvation OR that it must in some way negate the Bible teaching on the conditional nature of the gift as is seen in the Bible texts on perseverance.//

Why pretend that your dilemma (two 'lemma', two rules) are the only
two alternatives?

BobRyan: //How will "pretending" get you anywhere in an open discussion?//

Amen, Brother BobRyan, so quit your pretending.
the seal of the Holy Spirit is salvation,
there is no 'conditional salvation'.
God saves to the uttermost. God saves eternally.
So get out and do some good works. Anybody want
to talk about doing good works? and how to do them better?

The seal of the Holy Spirit is due to the Salvation that Jesus
has ALREADY given us. My salvation is as SECURE today: 20 Nov 2005
as it was in that day in April 2005 when I finally believed that
God raised Jesus from the Dead and called Him my Lord. Jesus
became my Lord and my Savior then. Now Jesus is STILL my Lord and
my Savior.

(BTW, I call Jesus LORD because I am His slave. I am the slave,
He is the Lord and Master.)

I am just as saved today 20 Nov 2005 as I will be on the day
of Glorification of the Saints - the pretribulation rapture
of the church. Sorry, OSAS goes with pre-tribulation rapture
like a hand in a glove -- actually i'm not very sorry, it is
part of the very nature of God. I don't know if i'll go to
the rapture as the dead-in-Christ or the living-in-Christ.
Not that it matters, glorification is still the same.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally posted by BobRyan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />
If we could "lose salvation", "ANY SIN" would cause us to lose it, sin is sin.

Please go back to the texts given here on perseverance and SHOW that the text says "any sin at all" will result in the SAME risk/damage/loss described IN THE TEXT about failure to persevere. SHOW your claim rather than imagining it for us.

Deal WITH the texts rather than outside of them.

In Christ,

Bob </font>[/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Me4Him:

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

This is equivocation. It is one thing to show that sin (all sin) requires repentance and forgiveness. (I never disputed that). It is another to show "specifically" the danger pointed out in the "failure to persevere texts" which is specificlly "shipwreck of faith" and "Christ will deny you" and "impossible to renew them" and "believed in vain" etc.

The point remains.


Your argument has been that these Perseverance texts that are addressed to those who are saved - "should not exist" because the risk, the danger they point out "can not exist" for the saved.

See yourself say it?

Once you're saved, you're no long under "WRATH" but under "CHASTISEMENT", God only hastises "HIS OWN".

You can rebell against God to the point of forgetting you have been saved.

But the texts given have already shown MORE Than simply "forgetting about one's salvation".

Why not address those difficult points that so directly challenge your view?

Your view NEEDS to claim "CHrist will NOT DENY you he will just punish you as in the Heb 12 example for children -- no matter what Paul says in 2Tim 2"

If we allow the "old man" (body of sin) to be "resurrected", God will destroy the "OLD MAN", but still save the soul.

You seem to be reluctant to go for the difficult points raised against your view.

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Satan can't touch a "saved soul", it's "SEALED", but he can sure "devour" the "flesh".

So you are claiming that this "turn over to satan" thing must mean they were not saved to begin with?

In Eph 2:1-5 Paul argues that the unsaved are ALREADY under Satan's command. There could be no "turning over to Satan" of what Satan already has!

Or are you proposing that the SAVED state is ALSO "Turned over to Satan"???

Your approach has been to ignore some of the texts given (most of them in fact) that directly challenge your view and then to try to "extend" other texts as if they could be worked to the point of refuting the texts that are already challenging OSAS.

That is an impossible exercise.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan: //But why pretend that the "Seal" of the Holy Spirit is either not related to the Gospel promise of salvation OR that it must in some way negate the Bible teaching on the conditional nature of the gift as is seen in the Bible texts on perseverance.//

Ed said --
Why pretend that your dilemma (two 'lemma', two rules) are the only

Fine. "Do the math" SHOW your alternative using the VERY texts brought up here that SHOW perseverance and SHOW The danger of failing to be an issue with salvation.

Instead of starting a line of thought and then dropping it just when "evidence" would have been useful - show your work. Go to the texts listed repeatedly here - and do the homework your "claim" implies that you can do.

Stopping short of that is to cut out all the substance from your reply.

In Christ,

Bob?

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan: //How will "pretending" get you anywhere in an open discussion?//

Ed said
Amen, Brother BobRyan, so quit your pretending.
the seal of the Holy Spirit is salvation,
there is no 'conditional salvation'.
God saves to the uttermost. God saves eternally.
So get out and do some good works. Anybody want
to talk about doing good works? and how to do them better?

The seal of the Holy Spirit is due to the Salvation that Jesus
has ALREADY given us. My salvation is as SECURE today: 20 Nov 2005
as it was in that day in April 2005 when I finally believed that
God raised Jesus from the Dead and called Him my Lord. Jesus
became my Lord and my Savior then.

#1. You got saved THIS year??!!

 

[BobRyan]

There IS conditional salvation and HERE ARE THE TEXTS that SHOW it.

Matt 10:22 but it is he who has endured until the end that will be saved.

Heb 2:1-3
1. For this reason we must pay close attention to what have heard lest we drift away from it

Heb 3:6 but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence
and the boast of our hope firm until the end.

Heb 3:12-14
12 Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.
13 But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called ""Today,'' so that none of you will be hardened
by the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end,


Heb 10:35-39
35 Therefore, do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward.
36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised.
37 FOR YET IN A VERY LITTLE WHILE, HE WHO IS COMING WILL COME, AND WILL NOT DELAY.
38 BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH; AND IF HE SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM.
39 But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.

1Cor 15:1-2
1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received,
in which also you stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

Rom 11:22
20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness,
if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
23And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Col 1:21-23
22 He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death in order to PRESENT you before Him
Holy and Blameless and beyond reproach
23 IF INDEED you CONTINUE in the faith FIRMLY established and STEADFAST and NOT MOVED AWAY
from the HOPE of the Gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven
and of which I Paul was made a minister.


Rev 2:7,11,17,26 3:5, 12,21 Eternal life to 'he who overcomes'.

Gal 6:7-9 Don't lose heart in doing good for reap et life IF we ..
8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the
Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
9 Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary.

Mark 13:13 Belief + enduring to the END = SAVED
Matthew 24:13 ""But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved."

Matthew 10:22 "You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one
who has endured to the end who will be saved."

2Peter 1:10-11
8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true
knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as
you practice these things, you will never stumble;
11 for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.

Stated that REAL Examples of such failure exist.

2Peter 2:20-22
18 For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality,
those who barely escape from the ones who live in error,
19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,
they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it,
to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "" A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT,'' and,
""A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.''

Heb 6:4-8
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been
made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify
to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open same.

Peter points out that only the saints are those who are “Partakers of the Holy Spirit” having “tasted the heavenly gift” AND “the powers of the age to come”

1 Pet 5
1Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,

The “saved” experience is never called “worthless” with the result that one “ends up being burned”. Notice that Paul shows this to be the END of the person – not a mere “trial” by fire to be endured as we go on to even better things!. He says “Ends up being burned”!

Heb 6
7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also
tilled, receives a blessing from God;
8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

And then there is always “Forgiveness revoked”!!

Matt 18
29 ""So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him, saying, "Have patience with me and I will repay you.'
30 ""But he was unwilling and went and threw him in prison until he should pay back what was owed.
31 ""So when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved and came and reported to their lord all that had happened.
32 ""Then summoning him, his lord said to him, "You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me.
33 " Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?'
34 ""And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him.
35 "" My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.''

These texts do not describe a defacto “drift into heaven” - they show "conditional salvation" explicitly!

 

[BobRyan]

I left some out of the list above --

Under conditional salvation there is a “pressing on” as in Phil 3 and a “buffeting” as in 1Cor 9.

1Cor 9
23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.
24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.
25 Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.
26 Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air;
27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached (the Gospel) to others, I myself will not be disqualified

The OSAS doctrine guts the very core of the “motivation” we see in 1Cor 9 as Paul EXPLICITLY says “LEST after preaching the Gospel to others I MYSELF should be disqualified”. OSAS goes after that point – directly, explicitly and without remorse.


Simple Question for Calvinists and OSAS promoters – who is the “WE” and the “US” in the following text?

What is the meaning of “He Also will deny US”?

2 Tim 2
11 It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
12 If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
14 Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers.

In fact it is the condition of the “Shipwreck of faith” that Paul has already warned Timothy about. The very condition that OSAS denies.

1Tim 1
18This command I entrust to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you fight the good fight,
19keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith.
20Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, so that they will be taught not to blaspheme.

It is as James says – a soul in death – doomed.

James 5
19-20, "My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

How can wander from the truth if they were never in the truth?

What is the result of bringing them back? “Save their soul from death”.

This also shows that the sins committed AFTER coming to Christ – DO count! “And will cover a multitude of sins”!. Hence the instruction in 1John 1:9 “If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us… AND to cleans us “ and this is post conversion for John says 1John 2:1 “These things I write to you that you sin not BUT if anyone does sin” (after coming to Christ) we “ have an advocate with the Father”. The fact of sin, sinning, repentance, forgiveness AFTER salvation is stated clearly.

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Bob,

Amen. Well saying.

We must listen what the Bible saith, instead what men saying.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[Janosik]

One has to believe in order to be saved.

Is believing/faith one time thing?

 

[BobRyan]

DeafPostrib -- Thanks.

I am glad to see a place of common ground agreement.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[av1611jim]

Bob n Ed are arguing TWO sides of the same coin.

1. We can NEVER lose "eternal life" in the context of Eph. 2:8-9.

2. We CAN lose "eternal Life" in the context of Heb. 6:9-12.

A Christian has no fear of God revoking His gift of salvation in eternity, yet that SAME christian ought to fear God revoking his place in the Millenial Kingdom. And the latter point is EXACTLY the point our fellow BB memeber Bob r. is belaboring, yet he wants to apply those warnings to our heavenly salvation as if God is an Indian giver. And Mr. Ed is simply IGNORING clear warnings in Scripture that there IS something a christian stands to lose!!!

But yer BOTH in error in that ye have eyes yet cannot see, ye have ears yet cannot hear.

God says, "He that believeth on the Son shall not perish". God also says "He that endureth unto the end shall be saved". Obviously ya'gotta learn to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH" or you end up in a mess. Kinda like the mess yer BOTH in right now.

G'day to ya.

 

[BobRyan]

So when Paul says "if we deny Him He will deny us" (2 Tim 2) you insert "will deny us in the Millennial Kingdom but not at the judgment seat of Christ before which we must all stand"

Right?

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Janosik]

Originally posted by av1611jim:
Bob n Ed are arguing TWO sides of the same coin.

1. We can NEVER lose "eternal life" in the context of Eph. 2:8-9.

2. We CAN lose "eternal Life" in the context of Heb. 6:9-12.

A Christian has no fear of God revoking His gift of salvation in eternity, yet that SAME christian ought to fear God revoking his place in the Millenial Kingdom. And the latter point is EXACTLY the point our fellow BB memeber Bob r. is belaboring, yet he wants to apply those warnings to our heavenly salvation as if God is an Indian giver. And Mr. Ed is simply IGNORING clear warnings in Scripture that there IS something a christian stands to lose!!!

But yer BOTH in error in that ye have eyes yet cannot see, ye have ears yet cannot hear.

God says, "He that believeth on the Son shall not perish". God also says "He that endureth unto the end shall be saved". Obviously ya'gotta learn to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH" or you end up in a mess. Kinda like the mess yer BOTH in right now.

G'day to ya.

Well, it appears sola scriptura does not work.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by Janosik:
Well, it appears sola scriptura does not work.

Unfortunately
'sola scriptura' does NOT come through quips
in monosylable words and sound bytes.
Instead, to rightly divide the word of God
requires detailed analysis at length.
Considering we don't agree from the git-go,
it will take even a longer time.

Roman 3:9b-18 (HCSB):

For we have previously charged that both Jews
and Gentiles are all under sin,
10 as it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands, there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away, together they have become useless;
there is no one who does good, there is not even one.
13 Their throat is an open grave; they deceive with their tongues.
Vipers' venom is under their lips.
14 Their mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and wretchedness are in their paths,
17 and the path of peace they have not known.
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.


To show "both Jews
and Gentiles are all under sin" Paul uses a combination
of six scripture passages (mostly the Psalms and one from
Isaiah).

Psalm 14:1-3
Psalm 5:9
Psalm 140:3
Psalm 10:7
Isaiah 59:7-8
Psalm 36:1