2 Peter 1:1-11

Not at all - rather it is the analogy of Scripture, the Protestant hermeneutic which states that Scripture interprets Scripture, the clear explaining the less clear.

YOUR hermeneutic is presuppositional; salvation can be lost, so whatever the election/security passages mean, they cannot mean eternal security.

 

By saying that a saved person can lose his salvation you are denying that Christ is able to keep all those that his Father gives unto him. God knows those that are truly his and he is able to keep them. If you are trusting on your own works, then you have excluded Christ from salvation and were never saved to begin with. The only way a person can think he can lose his salvation is if he first thinks he is the one that works for it or works to keep it.

 

Tuor said

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Since you take scripture as a whole and don't want a misinterpretation of scripture or a passage of scripture that seems to contradict another Tuor this is for you. There is also a scripture in the New Testament that is in harmony with this one.

Why will they know God? Because he will put his law in their minds and write it in their hearts.
He will be their God and they shall be his people and he will forgive their iniquity and remember their sin no more. Since the word is sin instead of sins it can only apply to their Adamic sin... Brother Glen

 

So what you are trying to say is that we constantly need to strive to perfection so that hopefully at the end of our life we will either (1) do enough good works to make it to heaven or (2) hope that we are a part of the elect

 

[ February 28, 2002, 02:37 PM: Message edited by: Kellisa ]

 

A combination of the two would seem to also correctly reflect Tuor’s “outlook”: We constantly need to strive for perfection so that at the end of our life we will have hopefully done enough good works to have been a part of the elect.

Wouldn't one be hoping to make it to heaven because they are hoping they are the elect and vice versa?

[ February 28, 2002, 02:33 PM: Message edited by: Nelson ]

 

Tuor,

Why are we then told in God's word to draw near unto him with a true heart in full assurance of faith?

 

You have already said that we cannot make our election sure, only God knows that so why are you now saying that "to mke our election sure". You are stating two different things. Any way you look at it you are trying to make salvation into works instead of beleiveing in the blood of Jesus.

 

Armenians,

If one of God's people can lose their salvation, at what point exactly do they lose it? How far does one have to go in sin before he or she no longer "qualifies" for salvation? David committed adultery and Peter denied Jesus. Were these great men of God cast away because of their sins?

Jesus said: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." (John 10:27-29)

I sincerely wonder about someone who made a profession of faith and turned his or her back on God, never to return.

Paul said: "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? (Heb. 12:6-7)

One who is not chastened by the Lord is not a son because the Lord chastens all those that He loves!

Jesus said: "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." (Rev. 3:19)

NOTHING can separate God's elect from His everlasting love. (Rom. 8:35-39)

"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." (Rom. 4:8)

Part of the problem is your Bible translation. In the King James Version, Hebrews 6:6 says: "If they shall fall away..." "If" being the key word.

To God be the glory, Christopher

 

Do the elect accept Jesus into thier hearts?

 

God's word says he in no wise will cast out any man that cometh unto him.

 

Armenians,

We most certainly can be sure that we are the elect and have eternal life!

"*Knowing*, brethren beloved, your election of God." (1 Thess. 1:4)

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may *know* that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:13)

Yes, Paul compared the Christian life to a race (Heb. 12:1), but in order to enter the race of faith one must be saved by the grace of God. Christians run the race of faith in order to obtain rewards, not eternal life.

"Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible." (1 Cor. 9:24-25)

v.25 is clear that Christians are running to obtain crowns and rewards, NOT eternal life. (cf. 1 Cor. 3:14-15)

If one is trusting in his or her own works to get them into heaven, they, my friend, are on the wrong way!

"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." (Is. 64:6)

One's works get them no where with God. The only way to the Father is through the His Son!

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)

If a man tries to get to the Father any other way except through His Son, the Bible that man is a thief and a robber!

To God be the Glory, Christopher

 

Frankly, if this is your contention, it seems as if you don't know what you believe. What you claim to believe and the beliefs you argue are are two seperate things entirely.
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Now, as moderator, let me caution that this topic has been hashed very recently. I'm going to give you a little lattitude. But let's explore ground not already covered in the last several threads you have started or I'm closing this down.