2 Peter 2:1 Cannot be referring to a saved believer

[AustinC]

Asked and answered, so now we get the ploy of the repetitive question.

Where is the word "given" stated or implied in the text?

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Van, you can make assertions all day, but if you cannot show the actual reason in the text, then your assertion is empty of support.

 

[Reformed1689]

You

I took your words at face value, using dictionary meanings. Liberals claim their special secret meanings are the only meaning allowed. Go figure. I use the historical, as found in lexicons, meanings for biblical words, not the redefinitions of Calvinism. All means all of the group in view, not some of the group in view...

You should go back and read full posts. You took one line of mine out of context and assumed a meaning. That's the same thing you do with Scripture so I am not surprised.

 

[Van]

You

You should go back and read full posts. You took one line of mine out of context and assumed a meaning. That's the same thing you do with Scripture so I am not surprised.

All Calvinists have is false doctrine defended by false charges.

Notice how the topic of the thread is not addressed, as once again the Calvinist run for cover...

 

[Van]

Jesus bought those heading for swift destruction. This is the scripture that every Calvinist must deny because it demonstrates their false doctrine of Limited Atonement is unbiblical nonsense. 2 Peter 2:1 says the false teachers were bought, yet not given to Christ for salvation because they are heading for swift destruction. So simple a child could grasp it but not one Calvinist... Go figure

 

[SovereignGrace]

CDS

 

[Silverhair]

Van you should realize that simple logic is beyond the abilities of those that are determined to not understand it. As for austin complaining that you do not answer questions well he should not say that to much as he refused to answer a clear question from me on another thread when ask several times. Just shows the double standard they will try to apply.

 

[AustinC]

Jesus bought those heading for swift destruction. This is the scripture that every Calvinist must deny because it demonstrates their false doctrine of Limited Atonement is unbiblical nonsense. 2 Peter 2:1 says the false teachers were bought, yet not given to Christ for salvation because they are heading for swift destruction. So simple a child could grasp it but not one Calvinist... Go figure

I addressed this in the OP. Go back and read it, Van. How did you miss it?

 

[37818]

2 Peter 2:1, ". . . But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. . . ."
Cross reference:
Jude 1:4, ". . . For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. . . ."

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes when they deny God.
MB

God has ordained their final destination and state, but did not force them to go there!

 

[Yeshua1]

Calvinists post endless "taint so" denials of their nullification of scripture after scripture. Ransom for all says Limited Atonement is bogus, so Calvinists are consistently "rejecting the scriptures" that teach this truth.

ALL limit the extend and intent of the Atonement, save for universalist!

 

[AustinC]

2 Peter 2:1, ". . . But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. . . ."
Cross reference:
Jude 1:4, ". . . For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. . . ."

Thanks for making the connection. Judas Iscariot is a perfect example.
Judas was of the House of Israel, a people purchased of God, yet he was not redeemed or justified by faith (indeed many of Israel were/are not). Instead, the Bible tells us Judas was created for this role. He was ordained to his condemnation as Jude shares.

Perhaps you were not trying to support the OP, but you did a marvelous job of supporting the OP. Thank you.

 

[Yeshua1]

2 Peter 2:1, ". . . But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. . . ."
Cross reference:
Jude 1:4, ". . . For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. . . ."

Did not sound saved to me!

 

[Yeshua1]

According to your theology that is what you promote. Look at the LBCF or TULIP. Just bad theology.

Sinners are accountable to God for their choices!

 

[Yeshua1]

All Calvinists have is false doctrine defended by false charges.

Notice how the topic of the thread is not addressed, as once again the Calvinist run for cover...

You hold to falsehoods that you keep promoting here though concerning scriptures and salvation proper!

 

[Silverhair]

God has ordained their final destination and state, but did not force them to go there!

Ordain {(of God or fate) decide (something) in advance.} So if the Calvinist version of God, who determines all things, has ordained something does that mean that it is only possible? No.
According to Calvinism, it will happen just as God ordained. So those that are in hell are there because God made sure they went there. That is a sad view the Calvinists have of our loving God.

 

[AustinC]

Ordain {(of God or fate) decide (something) in advance.} So if the Calvinist version of God, who determines all things, has ordained something does that mean that it is only possible? No.
According to Calvinism, it will happen just as God ordained. So those that are in hell are there because God made sure they went there. That is a sad view the Calvinists have of our loving God.

When God ordained the suffering of Job at the hands of Satan, did it happen as God ordained or did Satan have free will to go outside the bounds of God's ordinance?
Regarding those ordained to hell. Do all sin? Are the wages of sin death? Has not God ordained that the wages be justly paid for by all sinners?
Is God unjust in granting mercy to whom he chooses to grant mercy...by His own ordinance?

 

[Yeshua1]

Ordain {(of God or fate) decide (something) in advance.} So if the Calvinist version of God, who determines all things, has ordained something does that mean that it is only possible? No.
According to Calvinism, it will happen just as God ordained. So those that are in hell are there because God made sure they went there. That is a sad view the Calvinists have of our loving God.

Did our "loving God" ordain that all by Noah and his family would perish in the Flood, or that Sodom would be smitten?

 

[Reformed1689]

All Calvinists have is false doctrine defended by false charges.

Notice how the topic of the thread is not addressed, as once again the Calvinist run for cover...

The topic has been addressed, and you ignored my post and went off the rails.

 

[Yeshua1]

The topic has been addressed, and you ignored my post and went off the rails.

'Taint so"

 

[AustinC]

The topic has been addressed, and you ignored my post and went off the rails.

Indeed, in my OP, I addressed the topic. I have given Van all this time to exegete 2 Peter 2:1 and he has never done so. He has made an assertion that 2 Peter 2:1 means "bought but not given" and he tells us that we cannot figure it out.
Of course the reason why no one can figure it out is because that is not what the verse says. Instead, that is what Van says, while not once being capable of exegeting the verse.

We might as well close this thread since my point is made in exegesis of the verse and there has been no other exegesis given.