24 hour sinless day

No one is making excuses...

We are confessing our filthy sinfulness...

That is what God wants...

 

==That is certainly something that should be true of all of us. However any claim that a person can, regularly, go 24hrs without any sin is just unrealistic.

==Again, this is true (Gal 5:16,18). However we also know that not one of us always submits ourselves to God, in every area of life, the way we should (Gal 5:17). It is in those areas where sin appears. Those "sins" may not be one of the "big ten" but they are still sins.

==That does not, logically or Biblically, imply that a person can go long periods of time without "any" sin. Again we must be careful not to define sin too narrowly.

==That is true of all believers (1Cor 10:13) yet, like Paul, none of us always handle situations the way we should (Rom 7:21-25) and that is called sin. It maybe going over the set speed limit, it maybe cutting corners at work, it maybe some gossip or greed, or maybe some pride, whatever it maybe, it is there. In thought, motive, word, or action, it is there. If we are walking in the Spirit, as we should, then we will not give in to those temptations. However if, even for five minutes, we are not walking in the Spirit those sins are there read to strike.

If you perfectly walk in the Spirit all the time then you are certainly the exception.

==I imagine if someone replayed that whole 24hr period on tape we would find some sins (thought, motive, word, deed, ommission, etc). Why? Because you still live in a fallen body in a fallen world and thus you still must struggle with sin. Many of us have blind spots in our lives. Sins we are not even aware of. How do we find out about those hidden sins? Brothers/sisters in Christ are used by the Lord to bring those things to our attention, or the Holy Spirit Himself uses something in His Word to bring it to our attention. I'm sure you have blindspot(s). I would never be so bold as to say that I have gone 24hrs without doing/saying/thinking/being motivated by something that was not pure (ie...sin). That does not reflect badly on the power of God. It reflects my current situation (Rom 7:21-25).

 

A thought is not necessarily sin. It is when one entertains evil thoughts in his or her mind when the thought becomes sin.

 

In short, to 'answer' the poll question,

Not a chance!!

I could wish it were true, a la Peter, who said words to this effect: "If you suffer for righteousness' sake, you are happy!"

However the usage of the optative mood here which is "If, and it's probably not true", means you (when you are suffering) are probably not doing it for righteousness' sake, but rather that one is not fullly in the center of God's will.

And if Paul couldn't "not sin" why did he write the admonitions and warnings to "not sin"? That would make no sense.

Put me on the side of the now 12 to 1 ratio that we couldn't go twenty-four hours without 'sinning'. One who, for example, can pray without ceasing, twenty-four hours a day 'continually', or "love the LORD with all your heart, soul, mind and strength", again continually, does not exist, IMO.

Ed

 

So you are claiming one can, actually, not ever have an "evil thought"?

Wish I could!

Ed

 

And I am sure that you have figure out exactly where the line of demarkation lies.

 

We all strive for this. It is only by God's grace that we grow in sanctification.

True.

God told us to be perfect. We cannot. Therefore, we break this command. The mere fact that there are any of God's commands that we have broken at least once in our lives proves that this statement is illogical. The fact that we cannot obey God's commands is the whole basis for the Gospel in the first place.

No one is making excuses or justifying presumptuous sin. We simply have a different (and more realistic) view of sin compared to your limited checklist view.

This assumes that you know all of God's Law; you know the entire Bible; you know the letter and the spirit of all of God's commandments; and that your knowledge and righteousness is a vacuum unto itself. Given that none of these things are true, I highly doubt your assertion.
See Luke 18:9-14.

 

==We dare not limit sins to thoughts and actions. However I find it hard to believe that you regularly go 24hrs without any wrong thoughts (no matter how minor you deem them to be). We must also look at words, even careless words you gave no thought to, and actions that you failed to do. Even when you discuss thoughts you are probably mainly thinking of lust (etc) and not things like greed, selfish motives, pride, envy, etc. My point is that your view of sin is probably way too narrow.

 

What is the point of thinking about going 24hrs without sinning not even in thought? What is the believer attempting? Is it self-glorification? What is the point? Gone are the days when I entertained such. Now my trust and salvation and sanctification are in the righteousness of Jesus imputed to me, the sinner.

 

Anyone who says they can go without sin for 24 hours obviously does not have a 2 year-old in their house, "uncleaning" everything that Daddy is cleaning up.












raying: :saint::laugh:

 

:laugh: I have a 13 and 10 year old. FYI, it gets better for a little while but 13 is a killer transition, especially when it's a daughter and you're a 54 yr old full-time single daddy like me. And I still go around cleaning everything they unclean. :laugh:

 

Just don't go to God in prayer and tell him you have no sin.

1Jo 1:8 ¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Because

1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

And this was written to christians.

 

Sinless??

I did it once for 8 seconds. It was the same night that Mars appeared in the sky three times the size of the moon. Apparently, I was the only one who noticed. Anyway, I was frozen for 8 seconds. No one believes me, which is quite extraordinary. It happened once before, when I was but a wee lad..... but that's another story.

:saint:

 

I think this is impossible because we are all depraved. Only through God's abundant grace are we forgiven and made blameless before Him. Ironic, those who answered "yes" may have succumb to pride.

 

sinless for years...

I've heard of a man that is said to have remained sinless for 19 years...[LINK]
but I don't know...

Rob

 

Rob, that's interesting. However, how does anyone know, besides the Spirit of God, which searches all, that the man was sinning with thoughts/desires manifested in the mind?

 

1 Thessalonians 5

14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Who can live up to just this passage of Scripture?


HankD​

 

I don't know how long I can go without actually committing a sin. The thing that is important to me is walking in the power of the Holy Spirit so that when I do sin He will convict me of it and I can confess it to God. That is the Spirit-filled life, and that should be our goal.

 

Jesus can... as well as those who have had their lives significantly transformed by enacting Jesus's teaching in their lives for a number of years. Furthermore, what we have here is not a list of this to "live up to," but rather an example of how we are to live.​

 

Yep. Those that are focused on not committing sins (the commitment of their life to sin management) are doomed to commit them since they don't have the power in themselves to transform. Those who are active in entering into and living the life of Jesus ("life by the Spirit") will find that they sin less frequently. They become trained in works of holiness and righteous living instead of continuing in the patterns of sin and man-made religion.