24 hour sinless day

[npetreley]

Why are you laying out a challenge for me? My last post was an observation of the thread.

I do not think that there is a scripture that lays out how long we can or can not go without sinning. What I do know is that when I sin, I am quickly grieved and want desperately to confess.

I agree. I also would never claim that I can go 24 hours without sin. First, there's the difference between what I consider sin and what God considers sin. More important, what I can or cannot do at any given moment depends entirely upon the grace of God, and that includes living by the Spirit and not the flesh.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Let's ask Job if he thought he was sinless:

5 “I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear,
But now my eye sees You.
6 Therefore I abhor myself,
And repent in dust and ashes.”

That's his answer.

Funny, I do not see where Job mentioned it being every single day of his life.

And besides that, Job was not a NT Christian.

Focus. Show me one instance in the NT where it says an individual Christian sins every single day.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Why are you laying out a challenge for me? My last post was an observation of the thread.

I do not think that there is a scripture that lays out how long we can or can not go without sinning. What I do know is that when I sin, I am quickly grieved and want desperately to confess.

Good answer, mc, but since everyone in the thread seems to be attacking me because of my stance, then surely someone can present the Scripture to back their accusations that I am wrong.

They call me self-righteous and a pharisee. Which is clearly against the BB rules.

It is questioning my Salvation as a Child of God is not clothed in his own righteousness, but that of Christ. A Child of God is not a pharisee as I have been called over and over.

I have showed Scripture to show it is possible to go for long periods without sinning. It has not been proven wrong.

Someone needs to step up to bat and present Scripture that emphatically proves any one individual commits sin every day.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Since pharisees denied Jesus as God's son, I don't believe that term applies.

Legalistic comes to mind. Certainly pride, & judgement, I'm betting a lot more than a little dishonesty, as well.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

my pride is in the Lord Jesus Christ... I am nothing unless yielded to His Almighty Hand.

 

[Pipedude]

No one will make any progress in the debate without carefully defining terms, especially the term "sin." And unless two parties come to terms, no debate is possible at all.

Some of you seem to make sin coextensive with humanity itself. Obviously no one can cease to be human, so you presume to win the argument. But you wind up with retranslations like "these things write I unto you that you cease to be human."

Then the term "perfection" got thrown into the dog fight, also without any clear definitions. It is not legitimate to define it willy-nilly according to your preconceptions or the exegencies of the verse you are shoehorning into your theological system.

HBSMN has calmly stuck to a simple proposition in the face of a withering barrage of insults, accusations, and undefined (and therefore incoherent) theological mud. His example in this thread is a better argument for his opinion than most of what I've seen shoveled against it.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

No one will make any progress in the debate without carefully defining terms, especially the term "sin." And unless two parties come to terms, no debate is possible at all.

Some of you seem to make sin coextensive with humanity itself. Obviously no one can cease to be human, so you presume to win the argument. But you wind up with retranslations like "these things write I unto you that you cease to be human."

Then the term "perfection" got thrown into the dog fight, also without any clear definitions. It is not legitimate to define it willy-nilly according to your preconceptions or the exegencies of the verse you are shoehorning into your theological system.

HBSMN has calmly stuck to a simple proposition in the face of a withering barrage of insults, accusations, and undefined (and therefore incoherent) theological mud. His example in this thread is a better argument for his opinion than most of what I've seen shoveled against it.

That happens so often on this board. When they cannot prove someone is wrong using the Bible, they will attack the person who is asking for Scripture.

 

[saturneptune]

my pride is in the Lord Jesus Christ... I am nothing unless yielded to His Almighty Hand.

Romans 3:10, 1 John 1:8 says if we say we have no sin, we are a liar, and the truth is not in us. Romans 1 describes the state of the human heart. Romans 7 and 8 talks about the daily struggle. The Bible says pray without ceasing, meaning we always need God's grace.

You challenge is a red herring, a strawman. That is like saying find me a statement in the Bible that says we will land on the moon, otherwise it is not true. The fact is, the Holy Spirit guides us in all things. The above verses prove to me we are depraved, hopelessly lost without Christ, and do not take 24 hour vacations from the Christian struggle. Do you pray without ceasing during your 24 hour sabbatacal.

I find your theology offensive and an affront to common sense and the spirit and purpose of the Scripture and Gospel.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Romans 3:10, 1 John 1:8 says if we say we have no sin, we are a liar, and the truth is not in us. Romans 1 describes the state of the human heart. Romans 7 and 8 talks about the daily struggle. The Bible says pray without ceasing, meaning we always need God's grace.

You challenge is a red herring, a strawman. That is like saying find me a statement in the Bible that says we will land on the moon, otherwise it is not true. The fact is, the Holy Spirit guides us in all things. The above verses prove to me we are depraved, hopelessly lost without Christ, and do not take 24 hour vacations from the Christian struggle. Do you pray without ceasing during your 24 hour sabbatacal.

I find your theology offensive and an affront to common sense and the spirit and purpose of the Scripture and Gospel.

Romans 7 and 8, as was pointed out in a previous thread, says nothing of a daily struggle with sin. You are twisting the Word of God into a lie when you make such claims.

Pipedude was right, you guys need to get a grip on reality.

If one is walking in the Spirit, one is not going to fulfill the lusts of the flesh. I have seen so much hatred thrown from those who claim to be christians toward another who professes Christ that I am sure saddens the Lord.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I have seen so much hatred thrown from those who claim to be christians toward another who professes Christ that I am sure saddens the Lord.

You have said I would not recognize Christ. You have said Christ would not recognize me. Despite what my bible says, you have usurped the word of God, added to it, and turned salvation into a work.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

You have said I would not recognize Christ. You have said Christ would not recognize me. Despite what my bible says, you have usurped the word of God, added to it, and turned salvation into a work.

Physician, heal thyself.

If one believes and preaches a christ who drinks alcohol or condones the drinking of alcohol, one will not be looking for the Christ who never drank alcohol.

That is what sfiC said, and I think it is a true statement.

If you told me you were coming to visit and npetrely told me that you did not drink alcohol and you pulled up to my driveway and when you opened your door, two empty beer cans fell to the ground, I would not think you were the Curtis I heard about.

Same with Christ. I am looking for a sinless Christ who never drank alcohol because God's Word tells me He did not.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Lay the alcohol aside a second. Look at it in this light.

Many people want to argue that Christ had long hair. So their picture of Christ may be similar to the picture hanging on the wall of many homes.

Now, supposing, just supposing, that Jesus decided to come back down to earth to visit a few people who said they were His.

If they were looking for a long haired Jesus, do you honestly believe they would know who He was if He showed up with short hair?

It reminds me of the story told at Christmas about the shoemaker who was told by an angel that Christ would visit. Three times he opened his door and helped a child, a woman, and an old homeless man. When the evening was done he was upset because his special guest did not show up.

Christ had shown up, but he did not recognize Him.

He was looking for a certain image... just as people who are looking for a christ who drinks or condones drinking.

 

[EdSutton]

This answer was asked from His Blood Spoke My Name.

Is there any difference between "walking in the Spirit" (as Paul speaks of), and "walking in the light" (as John speaks of)? I hope you address this for me, please. Thank you.

Ed

This was the only response, and from another.

This should be good. I'm going to go make some popcorn.

npetreley, I hope you made a double batch, for I have been patiently waiting for a while, here.

Ed

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Is there any difference between "walking in the Spirit" (as Paul speaks of), and "walking in the light" (as John speaks of)? I hope you address this for me, please. Thank you.

Hi Ed,

Sorry I missed that one. Since the Word of God declares that Christ is the Light that lighteth the hearts of men, and since John declared that Father, Word (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit are one, there is no difference between walking in the Spirit and walking in the Light.

If one is walking in the Spirit, if one is walking in the Light, one is walking in Truth

 

[EdSutton]

But thats the hard part

What does the word from the Word say??

The spirit indeed is willing but the flesh is __________!

The flesh is what??

"The flesh is week?" Or should that be 'three week', being as that is how long this thread has been going on, thus far? :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed [is] willing, but the flesh [is] weak. (Matthew 26:41)

The Scripture says that we are to watch and pray so that we will not enter into temptation.

Another example that if we are walking in the Spirit (watching and praying; God wants His Children not to be ignorant of the wiles of the devil) we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

 

[npetreley]

He was looking for a certain image... just as people who are looking for a christ who drinks or condones drinking.

Or one who thinks alcohol is evil.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Since Scripture tells us that alcohol is the poison of dragons and that it bites like a serpent and stings like an adder, since it tells us alcohol mocks and decieves, I would say alcohol is evil.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I would say reading & quoting the tales of sexual misconduct & perversion that permeates Shakespeare is evil. We're not to look at it. Isn't that what scripture says ?

 

[npetreley]

I would say reading & quoting the tales of sexual misconduct & perversion that permeates Shakespeare is evil. We're not to look at it. Isn't that what scripture says ?

Touche.

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