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2nd Timothy 2:10

George Antonios

George Antonios

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MB said:
I'm not trying to make enemies. I fully reject election of Gentiles. This is replacement theology. No where in scripture does it ever say Gentiles are elect. They got in to the discussion when you said in post 27



Paul never said Gentiles are elect or that they became elect when they believe This you have added your self.
MB
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MB said:
I'm not trying to make enemies.
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I know, me neither, no worries :)
 
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MB

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Brightfame52 said:
Paul nor God never said Gentiles are not Elect. Show us if so
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So what makes you think you are elect? is it because scripture does not say you are. LOL! So you just assume you are? According to your thinking I should be a millionaire because the Bank has never told me I'm not. You do realize that you're thinking in Childish terms. Negatives never prove anything exist. It takes a positive and you have none This proves you are not elect.
MB
 
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SGO

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Brightfame52 said:
But Jesus wasn't a blood line jew. He did not come from out of Mary's egg, He was placed in her by the Spirit. The baby in the womb generates his own Blood. Jesus was a Spiritual Jew and so are the members of His Body the Church . Salvation is not based on ethnicity . Now granted He was born into a jewish family with a jewish mother, however that put no special premium on ethnic jews regarding Salvation , that would be respect of persons based on race and not grace . That is what people do when they say only ethnic jews are Gods Elect when it regards Salvation.
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You can interpret to your liking; we all do that from time to time.

For it is evident
that our Lord
sprang out of Judah;
Hebrews 7:14
 
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AustinC

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Romans 1:1,7
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God.

To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:27-39
And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The context of the letter to the Romans is clear. Both Jew and Gentile, who are chosen by God, are elect.

MB, your assertion is moot. It is a strawman on your part purely because you reject God's full authority over all things and you have attempted to narrow God's authority by ignoring the fullness of scripture. Those who have ears to hear and eyes to see will reject your assertion.
 
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Brightfame52

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Yeshua1 said:
Ephesians 1:3 -4 shows that all saved are chosen and elected in christ
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1 Cor 1 shows the gentiles are chosen elect 1 Cor 1:27-28

27 but God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 and base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

The word chosen here eklegomai :

to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one's self

  1. choosing one out of many, i.e. Jesus choosing his disciples
They also along with some jews are the called 1 Cor 1:24

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

In the original its the called with the definite article

αὐτοῖς δὲ τοῖς κλητοῖς Ἰουδαίοις τε καὶ Ἕλλησιν Χριστὸν θεοῦ δύναμιν καὶ θεοῦ σοφίαν·

being chosen and called means they are elect, both jews and gentiles.
 
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Yeshua1

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Brightfame52 said:
1 Cor 1 shows the gentiles are chosen elect 1 Cor 1:27-28

27 but God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 and base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

The word chosen here eklegomai :

to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one's self

  1. choosing one out of many, i.e. Jesus choosing his disciples
They also along with some jews are the called 1 Cor 1:24

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

In the original its the called with the definite article

αὐτοῖς δὲ τοῖς κλητοῖς Ἰουδαίοις τε καὶ Ἕλλησιν Χριστὸν θεοῦ δύναμιν καὶ θεοῦ σοφίαν·

being chosen and called means they are elect, both jews and gentiles.
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And there is the answer to where does God call gentiles elect?
 
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MB

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Yeshua1 said:
Ephesians 1:3 -4 shows that all saved are chosen and elected in christ
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Chosen maybe but no where in those verses does even mention the word elect.
You must be having delusions Did you take your medication today?
MB
 
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Brightfame52

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MB said:
Chosen maybe but no where in those verses does even mention the word elect.
You must be having delusions Did you take your medication today?
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They the same ! The greek word for elect is the adj eklektos and it comes from the greek word verb eklegomai which is the word for chosen
 
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MB

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Brightfame52 said:
They the same ! The greek word for elect is the adj eklektos and it comes from the greek word verb eklegomai which is the word for chosen
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Both would mean the same if they were about the same subject. They are not the same subject One is elect to be a people unto God . The other is chosen to Salvation. You can't understand it because you are focused on your false Calvinism. You do not want to see the difference because your Calvinism has failed you in truth. Face it you'll feel better in the morning. By the way your Greek does not impress me. I can do the same with any Greek dictionary and I have,
MB
 
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