35.5 mpg- what a crock!!

[ccrobinson]

Also, there is the fact that the environmental movement is extremely short-sighted, and will not admit when it has made a mistake. Look at the mess they created forcing ethanol down everyone's throats. Doesn't seem very Christ-like to me.

I'm not about to defend environmentalists. As you point out, they have made mistakes of their own.

Since the environmetla movement is made up of mostly Christ denying evolutionists, it would be best to fight them in these matters.

This is why you would fight against them? Not because they're basing some of their conclusions on junk science? If they said something that you would agree with, like "we're for clean water", would you be against them because they're made up of mostly Christ denying evolutionists?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I'm not about to defend environmentalists. As you point out, they have made mistakes of their own.




This is why you would fight against them? Not because they're basing some of their conclusions on junk science? If they said something that you would agree with, like "we're for clean water", would you be against them because they're made up of mostly Christ denying evolutionists?

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If they told me I had to give up safety & personal choice I would. The environmentalist, and apparently folks like you, assume I don't want clean air, or clean water, and try to paint us as ogres.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Yes, I did. Still missing the point. Please explain the shell game and please be specific.

So, they don't meet the fuel economy requirements that the government specified, but they still want to sell cars here, so the government gave them a way to do that by penalizing them. This seems not only fair to the U.S. automakers, but it may tilt the playing field in their favor by requiring foreign automakers to pay millions of $$ that U.S. automakers don't have to pay. (Of course, if it costs U.S. automakers more to meet fuel economy standards than it would to be penalized for not doing so, then the playing field gets tilted the other way, but that may not be germane to this discussion.)

So, again, you didn't explain the shell game. Kindly explain it to me.

Read the report at the CAFE website entitled "Effectiveness and Impact of CAFE Standards." It's an eye-opener. Start at page 13.

 

[OldRegular]

And yet my car doesn't run on batteries at all but averages 50mpg even on largely urban use.

Is it a Fred Flintstone car?

 

[ccrobinson]

If they told me I had to give up safety & personal choice I would. The environmentalist, and apparently folks like you, assume I don't want clean air, or clean water, and try to paint us as ogres.

You assume too much.

Kindly direct your overreaction elsewhere.

 

[ccrobinson]

Read the report at the CAFE website entitled "Effectiveness and Impact of CAFE Standards." It's an eye-opener. Start at page 13.

Do you have a link to it?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You assume too much.

Kindly direct your overreaction elsewhere.

:laugh:

Put it in the "ask a stupid question" department.

If they said something that you would agree with, like "we're for clean water", would you be against them because they're made up of mostly Christ denying evolutionists?

 

[Revmitchell]

And yet my car doesn't run on batteries at all but averages 50mpg even on largely urban use.

This is quite unrealistic

 

[ccrobinson]

Put it in the "ask a stupid question" department.

:laugh:

Touche. Well played, sir.

Please see my first post in this thread where I said I was an idiot. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Purple Lady]

all this can possibly do is cost more then we can pay, then where will we be, no way to work or store or church.

Oh there will be light rail and busses to get us there :BangHead:

 

[gb93433]

I own a car today that gets twice the gas mileage and has more power than my first car.

 

[rbell]

Cars will get tiny, lightweight, and unsafe. Not to mention the great King and Tyrant's car companies will pass on the high costs demanded by government to us.

Trucks will be prohibitively expensive. Expect THAT cost to be passed on to you when you hire a plumber, contractor, or lawn care person.

On top of all that...these will be government-manufactured cars, primarily owned by UAW. In other words, they will be pieces of junk.

If all this stuff goes through...I hope they never sell another car.

 

[gb93433]

An 80,000 pound truck goes down the road getting 8-11 mpg and a pickup going down the road with a trailer gets maybe 10 mpg. Imagine that? at best that same pickup empty gets possibly 19 or 20 mpg. Compare that to an 80,000 to 105,000 pound truck. Better yet compare the mileage to a train and the weight it hauls.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Here's a good response-

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t_of_tiny_expensive_vehicles_car_news?cid=327

"Mandate of 35.5 mpg by 2016 is like fighting obesity by outlawing large clothing.
BY STEVE SILER AND MIKE DUSHANE
May 2009
***

That thud you just heard was the “other shoe” dropping in Washington, D.C.: the Obama administration has used the turmoil in the auto industry as an opportunity to nudge—okay, force—the industry into a new, more environmentally sensitive direction, thus making good on its promise to impose stricter Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) and tailpipe emissions standards across the automobile industry"

 

[gb93433]

Here's a good response-

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t_of_tiny_expensive_vehicles_car_news?cid=327

"Mandate of 35.5 mpg by 2016 is like fighting obesity by outlawing large clothing.

What oil company promoted that article?

 

[Matt Black]

There is a big difference in driving in the city, and driving out here. It seems un-Christian to force people to drive unsafe cars.

Unsafe? How? My car isn't.

Also, there is the fact that the environmental movement is extremely short-sighted, and will not admit when it has made a mistake. Look at the mess they created forcing ethanol down everyone's throats. Doesn't seem very Christ-like to me. Since the environmetla movement is made up of mostly Christ denying evolutionists, it would be best to fight them in these matters.

Yes and no, there is the principle of co-belligerence eg: what you're suggesting is tantamount to saying that because evangelicals differ with Roman Catholics over soteriology, we should fight against them on abortion. The UK evangelical movement is pretty firmly pro-environmental. Perhaps it's because we live in a crowded little island with precious little countryside left.

 

[Matt Black]

Is it a Fred Flintstone car?

No, it's a 1.9L Citroen Xsara Picasso with a turbo diesel engine.

 

[Matt Black]

This is quite unrealistic

Why? How? Are you saying I'm not telling the truth?

 

[Mexdeaf]

What oil company promoted that article?

I am a subscriber to C&D. They have run a very interesting series of editorials concerning environmental issues and cars over the past several years. You might be surprised to learn that they are NOT against safer or more economical vehicles. What they are against is "legislative stupidity".

I loved the opening line- "Mandate of 35.5 mpg by 2016 is like fighting obesity by outlawing large clothing." It's kind of like "Gun Control". And we know how well THAT works.

 

[gb93433]

I am a subscriber to C&D. They have run a very interesting series of editorials concerning environmental issues and cars over the past several years. You might be surprised to learn that they are NOT against safer or more economical vehicles. What they are against is "legislative stupidity".

I loved the opening line- "Mandate of 35.5 mpg by 2016 is like fighting obesity by outlawing large clothing." It's kind of like "Gun Control". And we know how well THAT works.

I remember the years when there were naysayers about the gas mileage we get today in cars. They went form rear wheel drive to front wheel drive. The car I had in 1984 when I got rid of it had less than 100,000 miles on it but it was tired and I had already replaced seevral parts that the car I won today has never needed replacing. The car I own today has 220,000 miles on it and is in far better shape than my car was in 1984. The upholstery is better and has cost me far less in manintenance and repairs than my previous car.