3rd Degree Murder and Manslaughter

[Adonia]

The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver’s side. Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds. While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted. The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933248/27-CR-20-12646-Complaint.pdf
Ok, I see now why the police did what they did, they considered him to be resisting them and he was, but that does not excuse what they did, IMO!

Honestly, this takes some wisdom, if you dont want to be treated in bad ways, then do not resist the police when they arrest you.

The truth will come out in the trial. All the cops had their body cams turned on and the resulting video will be used as evidence by the defense. It is still going to be a hard charge to beat because of the knee on the neck, something that all police departments tell their officers not to do.

 

[Adonia]

It does not matter. When you take control of a person you assume responsibility for that person. The officer is a criminal and guilty of murder.

Have you seen all the evidence? Do you have a copy of the Medical Examiners autopsy? The cop is still considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. He is "allegedly" a criminal and "allegedly" guilty of murder at this point.

 

[JonC]

Have you seen all the evidence? Do you have a copy of the Medical Examiners autopsy? The cop is still considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. He is "allegedly" a criminal and "allegedly" guilty of murder at this point.

It does not matter. When you take control from a person you assume responsibility for that person.

I personally believe he resisted arrest and there was an altercation (just based on the officers uniform and comments made by the bystanders). But it does not matter what occurred prior to the man being held down crying he could not breathe.

 

[church mouse guy]

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey (D) requested on Thursday that “protesters” in the City of Lakes practice social distancing and wear masks to reduce coronavirus transmission. The municipal government claimed to provide hundreds of masks to the public for this purpose.

Minneapolis Mayor to Rioters: Practice Social Distancing, Wear Masks

 

[Agent47]

Nothing frightened me more than the calmness the officer displayed all those minutes kneeling on his neck. In fact, he made special effort to maintain the knee right there wriggling himself when he lost balance.

When police open fire, they cite panic and apprehension that their lives are at danger. But George was not only down, but also cuffed and lying on his belly. He was of no threat whatsoever to any of the cops.

The man continued kneeling on him a whole two minutes after it was established he had no pulse still coldly glancing around as if waiting to confirm his kill. I have seen many videos of fatal interactions between cops and suspects but this one stood out.

 

[HankD]

probably oxygenated blood could not get to the brain was the cause of death.

the look on the officers face giving the knee lock was COLD VERY COLD.

 

[Scott Downey]

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey (D) requested on Thursday that “protesters” in the City of Lakes practice social distancing and wear masks to reduce coronavirus transmission. The municipal government claimed to provide hundreds of masks to the public for this purpose.

Minneapolis Mayor to Rioters: Practice Social Distancing, Wear Masks

When you want to shout and scream and run around it is hard to do that wearing a mask. Likely many of them will be thrown into the fire.

 

[HankD]

When you want to shout and scream and run around it is hard to do that wearing a mask. Likely many of them will be thrown into the fire.

a mask doesn't hinder arson.

 

[Reynolds]

probably oxygenated blood could not get to the brain was the cause of death.

the look on the officers face giving the knee lock was COLD VERY COLD.

Having been in the same position, I can see the officers perspective. At a point, the human fight or flight instinct kicks in and overwhelms good judgment. All your brain processes is survival. That officer did not go to work that day with intent to kill a black man. Good judgment goes out the window quickly in an all out fight. Exhaustion and pain drive good judgment from the brain. That syndrome is much slower to ramp down than it was to ramp up. It is essential for back up officers to engage the suspect and make sure the primary officer disengages ASAP.

 

[Wingman68]

I tried deleting it but don’t know how.

Why would you want to do that? I welcome honesty on the BB, there is too much feigning of moral high ground here at times. Cheers.

 

[church mouse guy]

I think Hillary bumped off Epstein with a different method.

 

[Reynolds]

Nothing frightened me more than the calmness the officer displayed all those minutes kneeling on his neck. In fact, he made special effort to maintain the knee right there wriggling himself when he lost balance.

When police open fire, they cite panic and apprehension that their lives are at danger. But George was not only down, but also cuffed and lying on his belly. He was of no threat whatsoever to any of the cops.

The man continued kneeling on him a whole two minutes after it was established he had no pulse still coldly glancing around as if waiting to confirm his kill. I have seen many videos of fatal interactions between cops and suspects but this one stood out.

I would say the coldness of the officer was proof he had been over come by the situation. Adrenaline dump had turned his reasonable thinking off. Its of utmost importance for the other officers to see this and react.

 

[Scott Downey]

It is an emotional fatigue that sets in, because of all the evil things happening in your life and around you, your love turns cold.
Perhaps someday, artificial androids will be the policing force, no humanity, just a program, now would that be fair to all, everyone treated on an equal footing, then the rioters will blame the ghost in the machine, the programming. However the judicial consequence could be more certain, you disobey the laws, you will surely pay for it. Right now these rioters are getting away with it all, I doubt many will be prosecuted for all their destruction. A very high technology policing force could log and track and monitor and interdict all of what is now being ignored due to safety concerns of the human policing force.

 

[carpro]

The actual statement of probable cause and charge sheet.



https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...Eon1YRqriwoJB4-sClJXsNVX8dnMhg6gS54EZMNw6jdds

 

[Agent47]

Having been in the same position, I can see the officers perspective. At a point, the human fight or flight instinct kicks in and overwhelms good judgment. All your brain processes is survival. That officer did not go to work that day with intent to kill a black man. Good judgment goes out the window quickly in an all out fight. Exhaustion and pain drive good judgment from the brain. That syndrome is much slower to ramp down than it was to ramp up. It is essential for back up officers to engage the suspect and make sure the primary officer disengages ASAP.

Fight or flight instincts don’t seem to appear in the account. There were four officers apprehending one unarmed man whose only crime is passively resisting arrest. He was already cuffed and down.

What was the officer trying to survive in this case?

Exhaustion? I don’t see it. This was no rookie,and the fight was minimal. I see frustration. George managed to get under the officer’s skin by successfully resisting getting into the police. But why would a seasoned cop blow a fuse over something he has witnessed all his career and what he was trained for?

What I saw on his face is impunity.

If he has ever dealt with a white suspect thus in all his career I’d dismiss the racism angle

 

[HankD]

The actual statement of probable cause and charge sheet.



https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...Eon1YRqriwoJB4-sClJXsNVX8dnMhg6gS54EZMNw6jdds

doesn't give actual cause of death but probable cause.

need the autopsy report

 

[Calminian]

Why would you want to do that? I welcome honesty on the BB, there is too much feigning of moral high ground here at times. Cheers.

LOL. I post in other types of forums. MMA ones are perhaps the most interesting. No feigning there whatsoever. Brutal flair-ups. But surprisingly, the mods keep things in line, and things usually don't get overly hateful (usually). In fact, most of the time it's more civil than most Christian forums.

It's very tempting to feign morality. Perhaps in some cases, maybe God prefers the raw honestly. Kind of like when Paul scolded the jailers. I think that's at least preferable to the Marie Boron approach (she was the master).

 

[Calminian]

Having been in the same position, I can see the officers perspective. At a point, the human fight or flight instinct kicks in and overwhelms good judgment. All your brain processes is survival. That officer did not go to work that day with intent to kill a black man. Good judgment goes out the window quickly in an all out fight. Exhaustion and pain drive good judgment from the brain. That syndrome is much slower to ramp down than it was to ramp up. It is essential for back up officers to engage the suspect and make sure the primary officer disengages ASAP.

I agree with this. Officers have more stress than most. There's an excuse to a point, especially with a resisting suspect. I often marvel how restrained officers are with mouthy suspects. Saintly at times.

 

[Yeshua1]

Having been in the same position, I can see the officers perspective. At a point, the human fight or flight instinct kicks in and overwhelms good judgment. All your brain processes is survival. That officer did not go to work that day with intent to kill a black man. Good judgment goes out the window quickly in an all out fight. Exhaustion and pain drive good judgment from the brain. That syndrome is much slower to ramp down than it was to ramp up. It is essential for back up officers to engage the suspect and make sure the primary officer disengages ASAP.

Why was he is that fight though? As all i saw so far was that he had the suspect handcuffed, and should have placed him then in his back seat, not knelling down on his neck!

 

[Reynolds]

Why was he is that fight though? As all i saw so far was that he had the suspect handcuffed, and should have placed him then in his back seat, not knelling down on his neck!

Watch the entire video.