canadyjd
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Then you must accept Hebrews 6 at face value. If a believer falls away, it is impossible to renew them repentance. Once lost (again), always lost.
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4 of Satan’s biggest lies to born-again believers
- Thread starter Samuels
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So, there are no opposing verses with regard to eternal security?
WOW! ... I mean this is insanity!
Sure, it might just refer to losing salvation, which is confirmed by other NT verses.
GoodTidings
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The Bible doesn't contradict itself. It doesn't say that you cannot lose salvation in one place and then say you can lose it in another place. You are pitting the Bible against itself and that demonstrates pure incompetence when it comes to handling the Bible, on your part.
GoodTidings
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It doesn't at all. You are simply unable to study the Scriptures with any level of skill.
The key to this is understanding who is being spoken to.
E.G. Ephesians was written to "the faithful", not to the unfaithful.
Also, the meaning of the NT word "believe" must include obedience.
Many understand that True Saving Belief includes endurance, obedience, etc.
canadyjd
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But it doesn't just refer to losing salvation. It clearly states if salvation is lost, it can never be regained.
That is why I believe the verse is teaching that you cannot lose your salvation because if you could, you could never get it back.
Peace to you
Okay, okay ... I've tried to follow your logic.
And the conclusion is ... it's a pile of nonsense, female logic style!
Amazing! ... Mind-boggling!
canadyjd
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Wow! An attack on women. Very revealing. If you can't debate the facts, make personal attacks.
Thanks for the conversation.
Peace to you
GoodTidings
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Obedience is the fruit of faith/believing. It is not how salvation is procured. Your problem amounts a person having to live as a Christian prior to actually being a Christian in order to be saved. You have a works-based system of righteousness that is condemned by Scripture.
If you are trusting in your good works to save you, if you think you are saved on that basis, you are sliding down greased pole straight into hell. You are making yourself the savior, not Jesus.
You have absolutely NO comprehension of what I believe, not of what I am teaching!
GoodTidings
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Yes I do. You're a false teacher, a wolf in sheep's clothing telling people that trusting Jesus is not enough, that they have to work for their salvation. You're an enemy of the cross, a reproach to the Gospel and tare among the wheat. You would put people under the condemnation of the law and that is anathema. I can tell you that what you teach isn't authentic biblical Christianity. You are the kind of person Paul warned us about.
An interesting premise, claim four fundamental truths of scripture are Satan's lies.
1) Not All of your sins (past, present, future) have been forgiven.
2) You are not now righteous
3) You are not now holy
4) You can lose salvation.
Scripture says born anew people have been, past tense, justified. But if we sin following being born anew, does that undo our justification? Nope
Scripture says born anew people have been, past tense, made righteous. But if we sin following being born anew, does that undo our righteousness? Nope.
Scripture says born anew people have been, past tense, made holy. But if we sin following being born anew, does that undo our holiness? Nope.
Scripture says those born anew were put into Christ, and Christ says those given to Christ will not be cast out, therefore we cannot lose our salvation in Christ.
1) Not All of your sins (past, present, future) have been forgiven.
2) You are not now righteous
3) You are not now holy
4) You can lose salvation.
Scripture says born anew people have been, past tense, justified. But if we sin following being born anew, does that undo our justification? Nope
Scripture says born anew people have been, past tense, made righteous. But if we sin following being born anew, does that undo our righteousness? Nope.
Scripture says born anew people have been, past tense, made holy. But if we sin following being born anew, does that undo our holiness? Nope.
Scripture says those born anew were put into Christ, and Christ says those given to Christ will not be cast out, therefore we cannot lose our salvation in Christ.
Dave G
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I, for one, know exactly what you're teaching, sir.
I have an intimate knowledge of it, having been involved for over 3 years interacting with people who preach and teach it.
In "theology", it's known as "Wesleyan Arminianism".
In doctrine, I happen to believe that it is gross error.
I believe those as well, Samuels.
I call them Christ's Promises, and I've replied with Scripture references for support within the body of your quote above.
We are righteous in the sense that we as believers have Christ's perfect righteousness imputed ( credited ) to us.
We are holy in the sense that our hearts have been made so...and Christ's blood has sanctified us in the sight of God the Father and all of creation.
Otherwise, it all rests on my efforts and not God's mercy and kindness ( Titus 3:5-6 ).
As I see it, you're teaching works, not grace...
That God's saving someone is a cooperative effort, not an operative one wherein He gets all the credit.
Salvation is 100% of God, and is a holy work of His mercy and grace towards sinners.
It neither depends upon them for permission, nor does it rely on them for power.
His Holy Spirit, His precious word and God's amazing grace are all that do the real work.
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Have you seen this yet? ...
Many NT verses prove each of these spiritual truths:
Believers stay righteous by practicing righteousness
Believers stay righteous through their obedience
Believers faith must endure until the end of their lives
Believers keep salvation by repenting of their sins
Believers were chosen and called to live holy lives
Believers must love, forgive, not judge or condemn
Believers must be victorious overcomers
And a recent addition ...
Believers deceived by "grace only" do they fear the Lord?
One full page of NT verses is available for almost every one of the above topics.
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Dave G
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Yes I have...
and repeatedly, by those who believe and teach loss of salvation.
The ones that I agree with I've made a comment in green next to in your quote above.
The others I have made comments to in red.
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Samuels believes Satan"s lies denying the above truths. Lord knows why he is here.