4th jab now recommended

[JonC]

the series isn't the problem. The need for the booster inside 12 months is the problem.

I'll review my research, but it was in the Pfizer filing. If you locate it first, I'll congratulate you. Thanks.

I've read over the Pfizer FDA filing and their trial study (including the findings involving the suspension-lipids).

But I have concentrated more on the Moderna vaccine as this is what I received.

I can tell ya, the Moderna booster had no side effects. I guess maybe because it is half the initial doses? I did feel tired the next day, but I got the booster and flu shot at the same time so I cannot say which one made me tired. But no problems.

 

[Revmitchell]

Boy big pharma is having banner year

 

[JonC]

Boy big pharma is having banner year

Big pharma always has a banner year.

Although I'm not sure that ModeRNA Technologies qualifies as big pharma....yet.

 

[canadyjd]

….. but I got the booster and flu shot at the same time so I cannot say which one made me tired. But no problems.

That is surprising to me. I thought they weren’t giving both at the same time.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

That is surprising to me. I thought they weren’t giving both at the same time.

peace to you

They give the flu shot and covid shot at the same time (one in each arm....I expected a bad day but was pleasantly surprised).

They would not give a covid vaccinations and a pneumonia vaccine at the same time, though. I really don't know the differences (they could but would not give a pneumonia and shingles shot at the same time either).

The absolute worst shot I have ever got was a tetanus shot. Didn't even feel it until the next day, but then boy did I feel it.

 

[canadyjd]

….

The absolute worst shot I have ever got was a tetanus shot. Didn't even feel it until the next day, but then boy did I feel it.

Not to derail this thread, but….

The worse shot I ever got….

Rabies vaccine. I was bitten by a feral cat. Good news, they longer give the shot in the abdominal. Bad news, the amount of the shot(s) was based on weight.

I got 11 rabies shots and one tetanus shot first night. A week or so later I got another one.(maybe two).

Needless to say, I was sore.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

Not to derail this thread, but….

The worse shot I ever got….

Rabies vaccine. I was bitten by a feral cat. Good news, they longer give the shot in the abdominal. Bad news, the amount of the shot(s) was based on weight.

I got 11 rabies shots and one tetanus shot first night. A week or so later I got another one.(maybe two).

Needless to say, I was sore.

peace to you

Yikes. I heard the rabies vaccine was horrible.

 

[canadyjd]

Yikes. I heard the rabies vaccine was horrible.

The vac is thick. Five in each hip. The nurses were very nice. I had one on each side. I apologized for them having to see my b… (backside). One said, trust me, I’m not looking at your b… (backside) We all got a big laugh. And then the jabs began. No more laughing.

peace to you

 

[FollowTheWay]

the link I had has been outdated (I should have saved that page as a pdf) ... but the information is included in this page on nih regarding the description of the vaccine type.

Self-replicating mRNA constructs (replicons) encode an RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (RDRP) complex required for self-amplification as well as the components found in nonreplicating constructs (Figure 1B) [19,20]. The RDRP complex is often derived from alphaviruses, e.g., Sindbis virus [19,20]. Self-replication increases the magnitude and duration of construct expression and, consequently, production of the encoded immunogen. In non-human primates (NHP), low doses of self-replicating mRNA vaccine induced enhanced immunogen production for an extended duration, where production peaked on day 3 and remained detectable for more than 14 days following immunization [20]. Similarly, immunization with a self-replicating mRNA construct induced more protein synthesis for a longer period of time and a greater immune response in mice, compared with a nonreplicating mRNA vaccine [21]. An additional advantage of self-replicating mRNA constructs is the ability to incorporate multiple gene sequences into the same replicon, allowing the expression of both the target immunogen and immunomodulatory molecules such as CD40L, CD70, OX40L, and GM-CSF to enhance potency [22,23].
​

this means ... no boosters ... in layman's terms.

mRNA-Based Vaccines

Your quote shows that in "non-human primates (NHP)" and "mice", "low doses of self-replicating mRNA vaccine induced enhanced immunogen production for an extended duration." Specifically 14 DAYS! YOUr GUESS is they will work for an undetermined period in humans. That doesn't follow from this paper although I salute you for using a good source.

 

[FollowTheWay]

jon, In Pfizer's application for the EUA last year, the 3rd or 4th "advantage" to this brand new vax technology ... behind the ability to produce billions in weeks (exaggerated, but the point is produce enough to jab folks much faster than growing the virus to modify to put in an antigen solution for injection)

.... NO BOOSTERS.

hello. Were they lying ... or was this one of the first things they claimed which was simply wrong.

I wrote this paper after researching this thing; online sources, immunologists, veterinarians ...

the concern I list of duration of spike protein production has been addressed, but not really answered ... unless we can deduce the need to continue production is revealed in the claimed need for a booter, which they said wasn't necessary.

Who is "Al Vinson" and what are his credentials for making informed statements about thye Covid vaccines?

 

[JonC]

Your quote shows that in "non-human primates (NHP)" and "mice", "low doses of self-replicating mRNA vaccine induced enhanced immunogen production for an extended duration." Specifically 14 DAYS! YOUr GUESS is they will work for an undetermined period in humans. That doesn't follow from this paper although I salute you for using a good source.

The mRNA rabies vaccine used in humans (study was from Oct 2013 to Feb 2018) showed the effectiveness of mRNA vaccines, requiring boosters as well.

I don't know where the idea came from that no boosters would be needed if the virus remains a threat, especially with varients. It would be cool to have a one and done shot, but that is unrealistic.

Even natural immunity significantly diminishes after 6 months (people have even been infected with covid several times).

 

[Two Wings]

Who is "Al Vinson" and what are his credentials for making informed statements about thye Covid vaccines?

Is authorship more important than the information given?

It's my paper. I was afforded a 3 month partial paid leave of absence. Part of that time I spent researching this product of "Op Warp Drive." Online sources, personal friends who are physicians, veterinarians and referrals by them to discuss with their colleagues.

I voted for Trump's re-election (Cyrus) ... but after having put fear aside back in March of '20 by divine revelation from Luke 4 ... then having learned about these yet unanswered concerns of this injection, it became clear to me this cv jab was not for me. Point is ... my estimation to this thing isn't political as it clearly IS with the current POTUS, VEEP and many others.

I'll respect others decisions for themselves, but the jab mandate is a non starter on many levels. on that we should ALL agree. What the freshly jabbed need to understand is they are exhaling the spike protein their body is making ... for up to 4 weeks. If one wants to virtue signal, take appropriate steps to mitigate their spike proteins from being inhaled by others.

 

[JonC]

Is authorship more important than the information given?

It's my paper. I was afforded a 3 month partial paid leave of absence. Part of that time I spent researching this product of "Op Warp Drive." Online sources, personal friends who are physicians, veterinarians and referrals by them to discuss with their colleagues.

I voted for Trump's re-election (Cyrus) ... but after having put fear aside back in March of '20 by divine revelation from Luke 4 ... then having learned about these yet unanswered concerns of this injection, it became clear to me this cv jab was not for me. Point is ... my estimation to this thing isn't political as it clearly IS with the current POTUS, VEEP and many others.

I'll respect others decisions for themselves, but the jab mandate is a non starter on many levels. on that we should ALL agree. What the freshly jabbed need to understand is they are exhaling the spike protein their body is making ... for up to 4 weeks. If one wants to virtue signal, take appropriate steps to mitigate their spike proteins from being inhaled by others.

Apparently this is " a conspiracy theory created to spread fear and foster distrust in the vaccines" as spiked proteins are not exhaled or even spread throughout the body.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Spike proteins are spread throughout the body in vaccinated individuals. Don't be anti-science.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Is authorship more important than the information given?

It's my paper. I was afforded a 3 month partial paid leave of absence. Part of that time I spent researching this product of "Op Warp Drive." Online sources, personal friends who are physicians, veterinarians and referrals by them to discuss with their colleagues.

I voted for Trump's re-election (Cyrus) ... but after having put fear aside back in March of '20 by divine revelation from Luke 4 ... then having learned about these yet unanswered concerns of this injection, it became clear to me this cv jab was not for me. Point is ... my estimation to this thing isn't political as it clearly IS with the current POTUS, VEEP and many others.

I'll respect others decisions for themselves, but the jab mandate is a non starter on many levels. on that we should ALL agree. What the freshly jabbed need to understand is they are exhaling the spike protein their body is making ... for up to 4 weeks. If one wants to virtue signal, take appropriate steps to mitigate their spike proteins from being inhaled by others.

Would you take seriously a paper on how to harness fusion power from someone who has no engineering or science background? Would you allow yourself to be operasted on for a deadly heart operation by a non-surgeon?

 

[Two Wings]

Would you take seriously a paper on how to harness fusion power from someone who has no engineering or science background? Would you allow yourself to be operasted on for a deadly heart operation by a non-surgeon?

sir ... it's a paper. researched/interviewed by credentialed folks. Reading it isn't going to gouge out your eyes. It's not going to give you Covid19, and it's not going to make you superman, either.

You don't have to be a pilot to know Bernoulli's principle is the magic behind slipping the surlies. I never suggested in the paper nor anywhere here I have all the answers to this issue, but the concerns I had a year ago remain valid to me and a LOT of others who didn't just ride in on a load of wood.

 

[JonC]

Spike proteins are spread throughout the body in vaccinated individuals. Don't be anti-science.

Don't reject science. The spike proteins are on the surface of the cell. The "shedding" idea started as misinformation on social media. At first it was the vaccinated could shed the mRNA and affect others. That was, of course, stupid. Then it was the spiked proteins being toxic, which was also pretty stupid. Then it was the spiked proteins could be exhaled.

The evolution of anti-science conspiracy.

 

[Two Wings]

Spike proteins are spread throughout the body in vaccinated individuals. Don't be anti-science.

Correct. to think these things remain in one spot (injection site) was just over the top propaganda. It's been found in all organs and even penetrating the blood/brain barrier.

Some here reject what has been recorded. I'm testifying to this very thing having experienced it myself being in close quarters with a recently cv jabbed person. I've NEVER had such sensation before ... but some would suggest it was just coincidence I'd spent 16 hours in a cockpit with a recently cv jabbed individual.

Sure. OK.

It was just a coincidence (you) were able to board the aluminum tube, travel across the country in the time it takes a typical worker to log a shift ... where you cannot breath, where you'll freeze to death, and yet ... you watched a movie, ate supper, visited the lavatory ... and you were home.

sheer coincidence.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

This does not make sense. The vaccine has been proven effective in providing functional immunity. The effectiveness decreases with time. Boosters are therefore recommended.

No vaccine is 100%. While the vacvinated have a level of protection against infection and functional immunity should they be infected It, it is still possible they could become seriously ill. It has been proven that the unvaccinated are more likely to get and spread vovid. This means tge unvaccinated put those around them at an unnecessary risk.

Good… but if wanted to give them a risk I’d hit them in the knees with a baseball bat. LOL. Seriously though, I’m really getting tired of the sheep people running around fear freaking this virus nonsense. Vaccinated and unvaccinated can equally infect anyone they come in contact with if they are covid positive. I’d be more concerned with some vaccinated person who is a-symptomatic than a unvaccinated person who shows all the signs of having an infection… you can see them coming.

Still, you can live your life as a reclusive hermit and live your life without any human contact and for that I’m working on a poly plastic bubble that I will be selling for the holidays… it comes with a years supply of face masks, a life size poster of Fauci and a software that allows you to create your last will and testament should anything go wrong. The fear freaks will love it!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, they are. You can argue about getting vaccinated or not getting vaccinated. To not call it a vaccine is bunkum.

So what do you define a vaccine to be then? It’s certainly not a cure for covid… so what should we call it, possibly inoculation?!?