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Jason1

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We are enabled by the Spirit to live as we ought for Christ Jesus, but we are not under the oligation of the Law as israel was!
Living as you ought = living by the written word

Yeshua = word made flesh

You are under obligation to torah if you are in covenant with the Father.
 

MennoSota

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Lets check out some spirit verses:

Eze 11:19 “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh,
Eze 11:20 so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Elohim.

Eze 36:26 “And I shall give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the heart of stone out of your flesh, and I shall give you a heart of flesh,
Eze 36:27 and put My Spirit within you. And I shall cause you to walk in My laws and guard My right-rulings and shall do them.

Jer 31:33 “For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares יהוה: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.
Jer 31:34 “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbour, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”

Can you not see this is what Paul is talking about? The spirit of elohim causing us to walk in OBEDIENCE? This is all though the scriptures and those that claim we are not to obey the Father are of their father the devil.
You still don't address the issue, which is Romans 8 is talking about the Holy Spirit. The entire context confirms this.
Jason, do you not believe in the Holy Spirit? Is this why you are forced to manipulate the scriptures?
 

Jason1

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You still don't address the issue, which is Romans 8 is talking about the Holy Spirit. The entire context confirms this.
Jason, do you not believe in the Holy Spirit? Is this why you are forced to manipulate the scriptures?
Only the lawless ones are manipulating scripture so they don't have to obey anything (liberalism)

I addressed Rom 8 and the spirit several times. I also referenced the spirit causing believers to walk in His laws. It is you that fails to see the connections with the rest of scripture and you hold fast to your wrong teachings of what grace is.
 

MennoSota

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Living as you ought = living by the written word

Yeshua = word made flesh

You are under obligation to torah if you are in covenant with the Father.
Jason, you reject YHWH the Son and you reject YHWH the Spirit. You are in deception. Only the Three in One can give sight to your blind eyes.
 

Jason1

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Jason, you reject YHWH the Son and you reject YHWH the Spirit. You are in deception. Only the Three in One can give sight to your blind eyes.
Absolutely Wrong.

You reject the Creator when you disobey. The blind do not see they way (torah), the deaf do not hear the word.

Num 15:30 ‘But the being who does whatever defiantly, whether he is native or a stranger, he reviles יהוה, and that being shall be cut off from among his people.
Num 15:31 ‘Because he has despised the word of YHVH, and has broken His command, that being shall certainly be cut off, his crookedness is upon him.’

Exo 23:20 “See, I am sending a Messenger before you to guard you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.
Exo 23:21 “Be on guard before Him and obey His voice. Do not rebel against Him, for He is not going to pardon your transgression, for My Name is in Him.
Exo 23:22 “But if you diligently obey His voice and shall do all that I speak, then I shall be an enemy to your enemies and a distresser to those who distress you.
 

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You are incorrect. Draining the blood is practiced throughout the industry.

No, you are incorrect. The slicing of the jugular that is practiced in "the industry" does not remove the blood that still resides in the meat. Only soaking the meat in a salt solution, then laying the meat down and covered in coarse salt for a specified period of time will do this.

The slaughter of the animal and the preparation of the meat with salt must be done by a Rabbi, a Rabbi who is certified in ritual slaughter. If it is not done thusly, the meat is not considered kosher or in any way, shape, manner, or form.

These procedures come under the banner of "Kashrut", which is the body of Jewish Law that details which foods can and cannot be eaten and how they are to be prepared.

You, who seek the truth, should accept the truth as it exists and as it is told to you.
 

Jason1

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No, you are incorrect. The slicing of the jugular that is practiced in "the industry" does not remove the blood that still resides in the meat. Only soaking the meat in a salt solution, then laying the meat down and covered in coarse salt for a specified period of time will do this.

The slaughter of the animal and the preparation of the meat with salt must be done by a Rabbi, a Rabbi who is certified in ritual slaughter. If it is not done thusly, the meat is not considered kosher or in any way, shape, manner, or form.

These procedures come under the banner of "Kashrut", which is the body of Jewish Law that details which foods can and cannot be eaten and how they are to be prepared.

You, who seek the truth, should accept the truth as it exists and as it is told to you.
Again, you are preaching oral laws. There is no commandment to salt meat in scripture.

Do not add to His words lest you be found a liar.
 

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Only the lawless ones are manipulating scripture so they don't have to obey anything (liberalism)

I addressed Rom 8 and the spirit several times. I also referenced the spirit causing believers to walk in His laws. It is you that fails to see the connections with the rest of scripture and you hold fast to your wrong teachings of what grace is.
Jason, the text proves you wrong. You are dead in your sins and hell bound if you do not repent.
I pity you because your spirit is dead to YHWH the Spirit. You are not found as an adopted child, but instead are a rebel to YHWH himself. You have only YHWH's wrath to look forward to. I dust my sandals off from you. It is clear that God is not calling you into His Kingdom at this time. I wish your heart were not so hard.
 

MennoSota

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Absolutely Wrong.

You reject the Creator when you disobey. The blind do not see they way (torah), the deaf do not hear the word.

Num 15:30 ‘But the being who does whatever defiantly, whether he is native or a stranger, he reviles יהוה, and that being shall be cut off from among his people.
Num 15:31 ‘Because he has despised the word of YHVH, and has broken His command, that being shall certainly be cut off, his crookedness is upon him.’

Exo 23:20 “See, I am sending a Messenger before you to guard you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.
Exo 23:21 “Be on guard before Him and obey His voice. Do not rebel against Him, for He is not going to pardon your transgression, for My Name is in Him.
Exo 23:22 “But if you diligently obey His voice and shall do all that I speak, then I shall be an enemy to your enemies and a distresser to those who distress you.
God has embraced me by His amazing grace. The joy of fellowship with YHWH is sweet and precious. I wish you knew it.
 

Jason1

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Jason, the text proves you wrong. You are dead in your sins and hell bound if you do not repent.
Are you seriously this clueless? Do you even know what repenting is? You have proven nothing but twisting Paul.
I pity you because your spirit is dead to YHWH the Spirit. You are not found as an adopted child, but instead are a rebel to YHWH himself. You have only YHWH's wrath to look forward to. I dust my sandals off from you. It is clear that God is not calling you into His Kingdom at this time. I wish your heart were not so hard.
Are you seriously this clueless again? Rebelling is sinning and breaking the torah. WOW

Peter has some words for you:

2Pe 3:14 So then, beloved ones, looking forward to this, do your utmost to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
2Pe 3:15 and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him,
2Pe 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures.
2Pe 3:17 You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless,
 
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Adonia

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Again, you are preaching oral laws. There is no commandment to salt meat in scripture.

Do not add to His words lest you be found a liar.

I am telling you the law of Judaism as regards the proper kosher way, and the Jewish writings from the Kashrut Law also are telling you the proper way. Again, you are the one who refuses to believe the truth about this and you will have to shoulder the burden for remaining obstinate before the Lord. Wouldn't want to be you!
 

Jason1

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I am telling you the law of Judaism as regards the proper kosher way, and the Jewish writings from the Kashrut Law also are telling you the proper way. Again, you are the one who refuses to believe the truth about this and you will have to shoulder the burden for remaining obstinate before the Lord. Wouldn't want to be you!
Why do I care about judaism? That is not written law and your arguments are moot.
 

Adonia

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Jason, the text proves you wrong. You are dead in your sins and hell bound if you do not repent.
I pity you because your spirit is dead to YHWH the Spirit. You are not found as an adopted child, but instead are a rebel to YHWH himself. You have only YHWH's wrath to look forward to. I dust my sandals off from you. It is clear that God is not calling you into His Kingdom at this time. I wish your heart were not so hard.

You have got that right!
 

Jason1

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Psa 1:1 Blessed is the man who shall not walk in the counsel of the wrong, And shall not stand in the path of sinners, And shall not sit in the seat of scoffers,
Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the Torah of YHVH, And he meditates in His Torah day and night.
Psa 1:3 For he shall be as a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That yields its fruit in its season, And whose leaf does not wither, And whatever he does prospers.
Psa 1:4 The wrong are not so, But are like the chaff which the wind blows away.
Psa 1:5 Therefore the wrong shall not rise in the judgment, Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
Psa 1:6 For YHVH knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wrong comes to naught.
 
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