A ambassador,a ranch, a V-POTUS, and not a peep from Lynne Cheney

Probably still in Cheney's gun where he dropped it while staggering quickly away to order the Secret Service to stall the Sheriff's deputies and obstruct justice.

That's just a guess though Rocko9.

 

In the end it wasn't much of an investigation, Poncho, I don't know how any law inforcement agency invesitgates a shooting without examining scene but all they did was take the parties invoved at their word.

 

Life sure is sweet for gazillionaire federal gods who's thrones are above the law Rocko9.

 

But Poncho, I'm not seeing where it says that the bit that lodged in his heart went through three layers of clothing and landed in his chest.

The accounts I've read say "in his body". That could mean his face or neck.

I may have missed the article that says this, but the majority of the ones I've seen never claim that it happened from a fragment that originally lodged in his chest.

 

Gina,

In the Wildlife report there are pictures of the wounds Mr. Whittington sustained. You've probably seen the same type on autopsy reports. Full front back and side profiles of the human body. Where they draw or mark where wounds are located.

In this report the wounds are drawn on the wrong side, they show them on the left side of his face neck and chest actually they were on his right side but no matter it shows up as a black spot about 12 to 15 inches. He was reported as wearing three layers of clothing. All I'm saying based on what I personally know about shotguns together with the ballistics tests done by Alex Jones that you can watch for yourself (the URL is posted in this thread) and the math. There is no way that his wounds were inflicted at 30 yards like Mr. Cheney and Ms. Armstrong claim. It could have only been inflicted at a much shorter range. 15 to 20 feet. That alone makes the whole story suspect imo.

I don't know about shot migrating in blood vessels, and it could very well be as you say, I have no reason to doubt you and I'm not calling you a liar.

All I'm saying is that from my point of view, experience and the math and ballistics tests we're being lied to and there is a cover up. Whether his heart attack was caused by shot penetrating all the layers of clothing skin ribcage or what not or going through a blood vessel is irrelevant.

They lied about how it happened. All the rest after that is anybodies guess and I don't see the sense in arguing about it.

 

I thought this was fishy, myself. Either that, or whomever filled out the report was dyslexic or something.

 

Maybe Cheney will resign and Condi Rice will become the new vice president.

 

Of course, I think the only way someone will get voted in as vice president by the Congress between now and 2008 would be to promise not to run for election as president in 2008.

And since Condi Rice has said she has no interest in running for president it would at least be historic for her to be the first woman and the first black to be the vice president.

 

Yep, she oughta be swell. After all she did a great job as National Security advisor before 09/11.

Well, at least she probably doesn't pack heat.

 

To me it looks like the reporting officer handed the report and a black crayon to his three-year-old daughter and had her fill out the picture!

Since the image quality is so bad I'll go by what the wording of the report says (wounded in the face and neck, not in the chest) and by what I saw of him on the news.

I wonder why in the world those who think he's lying think he would stop short of having one of his buddies take the fall--if he's going to lie about it, why admit to shooting him at all? His friends would have nothing to lose either, it's just an accident so no one would get in trouble.

 

Here's an alternate take on it, saying that the story is consistent with the facts.

 

The info presented in the site you posted seems to be consistent with the info I presented earlier in the following:

http://www.chambermates.com/background.htm

 

More experienced hunters tend to prefer tighter chokes, as they require a more accurate aim. With quail hunting, however, the choke cannot be too tight or else too many of the pellets will hit the bird, which could tear it to shreds.

I don't think these folks went out hunting with any intention of eating what they shot.

 

Each hunter's range of gun swing should be from the mid-point between him and his partner and out to his side. He should never cross the mid-point to shoot at a quail flying on his partner's side. Not only is this poor shotgunning etiquette, it is dangerous.

 

Wildlife officials say the most common cause of hunting accidents is a shooter's swinging on game outside the safe zone of fire, as Cheney did.
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Cheney admitted he had one beer previously, I don't think one beer alone at a previous time would impair a persons judgement but still a seasoned hunter like Cheney should have known better.
So what impaired Cheney's judgemet? Did he have more than one beer? We will never know because the Sheriffs Dept. could not conduct a proper blood alcohol test because of the amount of time that passed .

 

Quail fever!

Why must his judgement have been unusually impaired? I think it was just a stupid mistake. Similar to not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign--most of the time it's fine but sometimes someone gets hurt.

 

The info presented in the site you posted seems to be consistent with the info I presented earlier in the following:

http://www.chambermates.com/background.htm </font>[/QUOTE]OR, Dick Cheney was using a 28 gauge shotgun. Not a 12 gauge shotgun with a 28 gauge chamber insert.

12 Gauge Gun - 28 ga insert 20 yds - 3/4 oz. #9 Shot - Skeet Choke 1224 fps - 74% pellet count 30 in. circle

Number 9 shot is even smaller than number 7.5 the shot count in a 3/4 oz # 9 load is 426 pelltes. Cheney's shotshell was loaded with number 7.5 with 259 pellets. The target shown was shot at 20 yards not 30. One would expect a higher number of hits with this load than what Cheney was using at 20 yards.

Extend the range another 10 yards or 30 feet figure 1 inch spread for each foot of distance = another 30 inches of spread, or there abouts.

Notice those little holes in the pic outside the circle? If we could measure from the holes farthest apart not just what's in the circle we'd get the spread which is going to be bigger than the pattern. In other words we're not measuring for pattern we're measuring for the whole spread which in this case would work out by guess and by gum to be over 60 inches total even from a 12 gauge gun with a 28 gauge insert loaded with #9 shot.

I can't even imagine what anyone would hunt with that small shot...humingbirds maybe?

Rocko9, I've never hunted quail here in the northeast like they do in Texas so correct me if I'm wrong okay?

From what I understand the hunters walk in more or less a straight line firing out in front them with a pre determined angle of swing always in front and never to the rear. As a hunter downs a bird he drops out behind the line of fire to retrieve it then rejoins the line after he's picked up the still live bird (in most cases) breaks it's little neck to put it out of it's misery.

Now, if all that is correct I have two questions.

1. Why would anyone blame Mr. Whittington for not announcing his expected return to the the line?

2. Why in the world would any experienced hunter break a most important safety rule by turning 180 degrees to the rear and fire at a bird behind the line of fire?

Another question...how did the bird itself get behind Cheney? Did it fly over his head then dip back down right behind him putting itself between Cheney and Whittington at chest level?

Or did it fly between two hunters in a low level path even with Whittington's head until it came between the two at chest or head level?

BTW Petrel,

FRom your link.

Alex Jones did not ever say 90 yards. He most plainly said 90 feet. Big difference. Whole lot of difference. World of difference. This dude is spinning a yarn on unsuspecting folks that 1, know nothing about hunting and shotguns and 2 that never actually watched Alex's video.

And number 7.5 shot is not now or ever will be BB's. A BB measures .177 number 7.5 shot measures .098, Big difference. Whole lot of difference. Whole world of difference.

I hate to keep shooting holes in all the conspiracy theories here but this story is what it is. A lie! Cheney and Armstrong are lying. Period. Ain't no other way to explain it.

[ February 20, 2006, 10:28 AM: Message edited by: poncho ]

 

There're a ton of assumptions being made here. There was an assumption that Whittington actually received penetrating chest wounds, now there's the assumption that Whittington was directly behind Cheney. Cheney said before that Whittington was off to the right, meaning he'd only have to turn to his side to accidentally shoot him, rather than twirling around like a ballerina (and most likely landing on his rear). Now there's the assumption that Cheney's shotgun muzzle was pointed directly at Whittington's chest. I haven't tried out the math, but I suspect that if you aimed a shotgun level at someone's chest from 30 yards and pulled the trigger, most pellets would hit the ground before reaching the target. (This thing called gravity, you know. ) The target certainly wouldn't end up being hit in the face and neck.

So my point of view is that Whittington approached from the side, Cheney turned and fired up at a quail moving on a diagonal at a range much closer than 30 yards, and the pellets travelled in an arc (as is their wont) and intercepted Whittington on the way down.

And in reply to your critique, I think he's using bb's as slang for pellets. If you can find more substantial mistakes with the analysis, go for it!

 

This one small statement is a good example of multi layered propaganda BTW. It fixes a much longer distance as well as a much bigger projectile in the readers mind. Very good propagandist tactics. But it isn't working on me. Sorry.