A ambassador,a ranch, a V-POTUS, and not a peep from Lynne Cheney

We are being lied to. Period.

 

Yeah but the question is why Bro Curtis. I mean why lie about an accident? What purpose would it serve?

That's how the evidence stacks up. You have much experience with shotguns BTW?

 

Not a lot of experience. I've shot clay pigeons a couple of times.

My medical examiner source says in his opinion the injuries are consistent with being shot at 30 yards with birdshot. I'm afraid I'm going to have to decline to join the conspiracy theorists.

 

OIC. When one cannot discredit the evidence one turns to demonizing those examining it. Fully expected and quite normal among "rational people" these days.

I suggest you and your medical examiner source view this video of someone actually doing ballistics tests with a 28 gauge shotgun loaded with #7 1/2 birdshot at various targets and various ranges. CLICK HERE.

You may just come to the same conclusion as Bro Curtis and I. We're being lied too.

 

He's assuming that the shot penetrated the chest cavity (based on faulty reporting by idiot reporters, imo), when the doctor who first treated Whittington said that the injuries were superficial and required only antibiotics. If Whittington indeed had shotgun pellets penetrate his heart and lungs, he wouldn't be walking about at home today.

Once again, consistent with a range closer to the 30 yards reported. I'm not going to quibble about 5 yards one way or the other, but it definitely was not 15-20 feet.

 

The general rule of thumb for shot spread is one inch spread for each foot of distance after leaving the barrel. The pattern of the spread shown in the report is consistant with a range of 15 to 20 feet or 15 to 20 inches.

30 yards is 90 feet which works out to 1,080 inches. There are 258 pellets in an average 3/4 oz or 1.5 dram shot load how many pellets would hit a mansized target at 30 yards and would they be concentrated into a pattern as that shown in the report? Nope.

The external velocity of number 7.5 shot is 1200 fps at the muzzle slowing down to 765 fps at 30 yards the average 7.5 shot is .094 dia, the energy of a single pellet at 30 yards is 1.5 fpe (foot pounds of energy). Do these pellets have enough energy left at 30 yards to penetrate 3 layers of clothing at that distance? Highly doubtful.

These numbers were taken from my Reloading For Shotgunners 2nd edition. I am not a mathmatician so anyone that is better at math than I please feel free to correct my numbers.

 

You can actually see the picture on that report well enough to get any detail out of it?? I sure can't!

Considering the only injuries I've heard of were to his face and neck, how many layers of clothes he was wearing is irrelevant.

 

Why in the world would you assume we're being lied to?
HAHAHA
Ok, forget that...but do listen to this.

I had a relative who died of a heart attack shortly after a knee surgery.
What had happened was this: While having the surgery, a tiny piece of bone was chipped off his knee. It got into his bloodstream, travelled to his heart, and resulted in the heart attack.

It only takes a minute bit of a foreign object to cause a heart attack. Blood travels into the heart, that's its job. If you got a tiny bit of pellet in your big toe, there's still a risk of a heart attack.

It happens.

It's not conspiracy, it's how bodies work. Blood is taken to the heart. Very simple.

 

If alcohol wasn't an issue, why did they first try to cover up the fact that there had been drinking?

Why are this man's injuries inconsistent with the story we got from Cheney?

And why didn't we find out who was involved at first?

One more bit of evidence that the republicans have become democrats.

 

I can see it well enough to know that a good amount of the shot supposedly penetrated the three layers of clothing Mr. Whittington was reportedly wearing at the time and actually became wounds in the skin on his chest. Highly unlikely from 30 yards.

Another thing I noticed was the pattern in the report was drawn on the wrong side. Who ever drew it wasn't exactly on top of their game that day either I guess.

 

It also takes a certain amount of energy to drive even a small fragment to get close to the heart. In this shooting as described that energy simply didn't exist. That isn't conspiracy it's math.

Whether the man had a heart attack or not is irrelevant here, so is what the dems are saying or whether the Sheriff did a good enough investigation or not which obviously from the math and ballistics evidence they didn't nor is any of the other strawmen that the media is throwing out there to confuse the issue and the beholder. If that pellet didn't have enough energy to go through his clothing then it couldn't have reached his heart at 30 yards. Simple. If there wasn't enough energy to go through his clothing at 30 yards it couldn't have caused the damage it did. It's ballistics that's how it works.

They're simply lying. And it's no surprise. Is the VP, press and the Kennedy county Sheriff's dept lying to the public about how an accident happened a big deal? Probably not to most people, but then we aren't most people we're people that claim to want the truth.

But anyway, this story will go the same route as all the rest have gone. Come next news cycle it will all be forgotten and we can move on to being comforted by the people in power lying to us "for the greater good of all".

Bernay's called it engineering consent. I call it deception.

[ February 18, 2006, 11:43 PM: Message edited by: poncho ]

 

Ft/sec doesn't mean much to most folks. 750 ft/sec is equivalent to 500+ miles/hour. I believe that a pellet less than .1 inches diameter traveling at that velocity would penetrate 3 layers of clothing unless one of them was body armor.

The following web site presents some interesting info and pictures on shot spread at 30 yards [Markedly different than what would be calculated from the info presented above.] that may shed some light on the issue.

http://www.chambermates.com/background.htm

 

Cool site OR I always wanted to now what would happen if a 28 gauge chamber sleeve was put into a 12 gauge shotgun. In other words they're firing 28 ga rounds through 12 gauge barrels. How does that compare to a straight 28 ga shotgun?

One and half foot pounds of energy isn't enough to go through three layers of clothing, unless of course you have magic pellets whether you believe it or not. Sorry.

 

Wait, wait, I have the answer. It just came to me. There was a second shooter from the grassy knoll.

 

This theory has already been debunked. The only way this could be the case is if the grassy knoll was no further away from the vicitm than 15 to 20 feet. Maybe there was a second shooter wearing a magic invisibility ring or something because a man wearing even the best made ghillie suit in the would have been seen or stepped on even by people juiced up with Jack Daniels.

 

Poncho, why didn't you read what I said?

It doesn't have to be near the heart.

The easiest way to grasp this is to look at your hands and arms. Your veins are easily visible. Some are even sticking out.
Pick a vein on top of your hand. A tiny fragment could easily get to that.

Where do veins take blood?
Blood is sent to your heart and pumped back out.

That fragment could have been right under the skin and travelled to his heart. A fragment the size of a grain of sand can cause major trouble.

I remember having kidney stones. One of them honestly was no bigger than two pieces of sand put together. I was in the hospital because it irritated so much inside that it caused swelling and complete, COMPLETE blockage on one side.

A fragment wouldn't have to travel close to the heart to start with. It could have lodged right under the skin, been taken into the bloodstream, and caused this.

 

I read what you posted Gina I found it to be interesting and most likely quite true I haven't much education or experience in this area and I do not doubt what you are saying but the fact of the matter is that in this case it just doesn't matter. It's a side issue. I would suspect that with a 78 year old man depending on his health that just being peppered with shot from his buddies gun could give him a heart attack. Even if none of the little pellets broke the skin at all, which obviously they did.

If that little pellet only generates 1.5 foot pounds of energy at 30 yards. The chances of it or a bunch of them going through three layers of clothing to reach the skin on Mr. Whittington's chest inflicting the type of wound they did is what I would call impossible. I think the actual ballistics tests (in the video) and the math proves this.

It's easily provable by looking at the ballistics and the concentration of "hits" on Mr. Whittington's body that Cheney and Armstrong are lying about how this accident happened. And with that being the case it isn't that much of a stretch to say that the Secret Service the Kenedy county Sheriffs dept and the press are complicit in the lie and cover up.

All else after that imo are side issues and strawmen. People have been trying to get away from the scientifically provable fact that Mr. Whittington was shot from 15 to 20 feet by focusing on reporters and liberals and this, that and the other, all side issues that can be argued ad infinitum and come to nothing.

That is how this administration and the mainstream media have worked from the begining. Act dumb, lie, distract, distort, misinform, while always trying to instill fear and confusion. It's their Modus Operandi!

[ February 19, 2006, 03:45 PM: Message edited by: poncho ]

 

BTW,
Where is the spent shell casing?