Allan said:
Some kind of scriptural support of your view would be nice as well.
twas given, it would seen you are in denial.
What you posted earlier has nothing to do with an 'age of accountability' and you know it.
See what I mean.
I asked for age of accountability verses because the phase is a myth. AOA is always brought up but can never be supported other than with smoke and mirrors. If you have a AOA the verse I posted must be included.
Mankind sins before the age of 20. Mankind sins before the age of 12. No matter what age you place on AOA it does not work out for ya.
As of last Dec. I am now a grand father. I have been though this before with my 3 girls. We don't have to teach kids to sin, they just do it. Its part of all mankind. I had to train and train and train all day each day for my girls to be good, and still they would sin at times. Just at the age of 5 mouths my little grand baby shows signs of this. Is it sin? I have no idea, for I am not God, but if not sin now within a few months it will be.
I recall the 1st time I saw the sin nature in my own 1st child. She was walking, but could hardly talk. She would reach for things laid out on the coffee table and when I said no she got mad. She tried to force her way and I had to repeat my NO! and slap her hand. She later came back and saw the same things on the table and stopped and looked at me and then quickly touched one object and took off the other way.
They look before she touched showed me she understood right and wrong. Right then I knew I had a little sinner on my hands. Her will caused her to sin. That is why I cannot understand all the honor free-willers want to give mans will. Mans will does not help him, it hurts him for it is bent on sinning.
Secondly my post implies there is not specific age regarding 'accountablility' since it differs with each person.
There is also no Bible verse to back your view.
The Ex 30:14-16 passage you give in first excludes all women, children, and old men (over 60).
I picked this passage because it does show accountablility and it is based on age but it has nothing to do with sin now does it? Verses like this is what you get when talking about AOA, but they do not address sin. So if you or any other point to verse like this of a younger age, you must also take this verse that deals with a law of a nation and not sin. I agree it does not prove it.
Secondly this is actually tax for the temple.
Its much like our age of 18. Its when we become responsible to part of the law of a nation. It has nothing to do with sin.
Thirdly it is an unofficail way to number the strength of Isreal because an actual census was forbidden.
Which was part of a law of a nation and has nothing to do with sin
It is the age of taxation as shown above. It is the age in which a man was to enlist for war (if there was one or for the army - Num 1:3) .
Which was part of a law of a nation and has nothing to do with sin
It was the age when Levite priests could enter service (1 Chr. 23: 24, 27; Ex 3:8), but their were also other ages at which a Levite could minister such as 25 and 30 (Num. 4: 3; Num. 8: 23-26)
Which was part of a law of a nation and has nothing to do with sin
Yet one could get married before the age of 20 (typically for men the age of 13 and women 12).
Which was part of a law of a nation and has nothing to do with sin
They could have children before the age of 20.
REALLY?
That is not a law nor a AOA, but natual.
They were resposible for their wife and children (even the vows they made) before the age of 20.
By law? What about sin?
They owned land and worked before the age of 20.
Nothing to do with AOA as in knowing right or wrong.
There were many things that they could do before the age of 20 in which they were resposible or accountable including sacrifices and offerings made on the behalf of them and or their family as well. But there were certain social and religious functions they could not do till the age of 20.
Yawn
It is not an 'age of accountability' but an better seen as an 'age of service'.
Nowhere does scripture even allude to the age of 20 as being an age of accountability
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You mean other then the passage I gave? My point should be understood by now. AOA as many teach it as to SIN is not backed in the Bible. The only thing you will find is verse like I posted, which can be said to be AOA passages, and in away they are, but it has nothing to do with sin. Other then Deu 1 which says....
39And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.
But this has been shown to mean 19 year olds and below.
No, that is what you are saying.
I said noting but asked what in the world you mean.
On post 13
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1234406&postcount=13
You posted...
Jhn 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
This
illistrates that the biblical view concerning the age of accountablility.
I only asked this fore better understanding of your view...
Allan, Are you saying this verse is saying that those that are "blind" to the things of God have no sin?
The passage is clearly stating that if you do not know of sin (blind) then sin is not imputed against you (you have no sin).
If a person murders and does not know it is a sin, then its not a sin? Is this what you think the passage is saying? If this is the case, would it not be better for mankind if we did not tell them of God and the Bible so they would not sin?
BTW...there is a better meaning of this passage that most would hold.
But if you know what is sin then that sin is imputed against you (thus it 'remains').
Only if you KNOW what is sin.
I know a man that is hooked on porn, but sees nothing wrong with it, for it hurts no one. I told him lusting was a sin and he had never heard that before. Was it a sin to him just as the moment I told him it was a sin, or was it a sin the day before and he just did not know it?
This isn't saying you have no sin since the later part of the verse states "your sin remains", but that the sin is not imputed against you till you know of it.
9
Who can say, "I have made my heart pure;
I am clean from my sin"?
10 Unequal weights and unequal measures
are both alike an abomination to the LORD.
11
Even a child makes himself known by his acts,
by whether his conduct is pure and upright.
BTW...this passage that deals with sin also addesses age groups. maybe AOA??
Does this count?
