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A bridge too far...

Scarlett O.

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I voted for this man 3 X. The last time was a mistake. Trump posted this on his truth social last night. It is the single most offensive, blasphemous and heretical thing I have ever seen or heard a president do. The Easter post was bad enough...but this. He doesn't care but I no longer will support him.
I've seen others this morning very upset over this all over the internet.

It's BAD, very bad. I'm so afraid some will just sweep it under the rug as a joke or "Oh, he's just mad at the Pope right now".

I'm truly, truly offended at this. l, like you sdcoyote, voted for him 3 times. The first, willingly. The second, with grave reservations. The third, it made me sick to do so and I cried when I got home.

My thoughts, based on his words, deeds, and the way he combats others who dare not agree him, is that he is unhinged. And I believe that those who think he wonderful and to be cheered and NEVER questioned are just LUCKY that the unhinged man they voted for just happens to be a conservative like they are.

What if he were a liberal? This is BAD, folks.

Here's all I can think of this morning. We had ALL better get our spiritual houses in order. Every single American.

Do you believe God will tolerate this? Ask yourself. Do YOU believe that God will tolerate this?

Get your spiritual house in order, your family, your church, yourself. It's about to be a bumpy ride.
 
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Ascetic X

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I've seen others this morning very upset over this all over the internet.

It's BAD, very bad. I'm so afraid some will just sweep it under the rug as a joke or "Oh, he's just mad at the Pope right now".

I'm truly, truly offended at this. l, like you sdcoyote, voted for him 3 times. The first, willingly. The second, with grave reservations. The third, it made me sick to do so and I cried when I got home.

My thoughts, based on his words, deeds, and the way he combats others who dare not agree him, is that he is unhinged. And I believe that those who think he wonderful and to be cheered and NEVER questioned are just LUCKY that the unhinged man they voted for just happens to be a conservative like they are.

What if he were a liberal? This is BAD, folks.

Here's all I can think of this morning. We had ALL better get our spiritual houses in order. Every single American.

Do you believe God will tolerate this? Ask yourself. Do YOU believe that God will tolerate this?

Get your spiritual house in order, your family, your church, yourself. It's about to be a bumpy ride.


You should see the original healer image. It did not have a demon figure in it.

 

JonC

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You should see the original healer image. It did not have a demon figure in it.

The issue is more Trump as the Messiah rather than the horned creature.

Trump stated he did not make the connection that it portrayed him as Jesus but instead thought it presented him as a physician healing he nation.

There is no reason to reject Trump's explanation (it actually fits his "rapid fire" posting method). But it is offensive snd thankfully was removed.
 

Ascetic X

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The issue is more Trump as the Messiah rather than the horned creature.

Trump stated he did not make the connection that it portrayed him as Jesus but instead thought it presented him as a physician healing he nation.

There is no reason to reject Trump's explanation (it actually fits his "rapid fire" posting method). But it is offensive snd thankfully was removed.

Sorry, but I do reject Trump’s explanation. A doctor is not depicted wearing robes, with radiant orbs of light in his hands, a woman praying to him, or a horned demon in the sky above him.

A doctor is depicted in a white lab coat and a stethoscope around his neck.
 

JonC

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Sorry, but I do reject Trump’s explanation. A doctor is not depicted wearing robes, with radiant orbs of light in his hands, a woman praying to him, or a horned demon in the sky above him.

A doctor is depicted in a white lab coat and a stethoscope around his neck.
I can't reject his explanation (it is wrong to think we can know what is in another's mind). For example, I did not take the image to be a woman praying to him or a horned figure. You did.

I do not believe Trump looks at what he posts carefully.

That said, the picture expresss what I have been saying fir decades. The DNC is the biggest danger to the US. The GOP is the greater political danger to the Church.
 

Ascetic X

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I can't reject his explanation (it is wrong to think we can know what is in another's mind). For example, I did not take the image to be a woman praying to him or a horned figure. You did.

I do not believe Trump looks at what he posts carefully.

That said, the picture expresss what I have been saying fir decades. The DNC is the biggest danger to the US. The GOP is the greater political danger to the Church.

We don’t have to peer into Trump’s mind. Just look at the image.

The woman is praying and gazing at Trump.

A horned winged demon type figure is in the sky above Trump’s head (a figure added to the original healer image).

Trump has a radiant orb of light in his hand, while the other hand on the head of the sick man has rays of light shining out.

Trump is wearing robes.

The religious symbolism is blatant and unseemly.

While I am glad that Biden or Kamala are not president, this Trump person is getting more problematic, sacrilegious, and dubious as time goes on,

I predict we have not seen anything yet. With faith advisors like Paula White, Trump is not getting the genuine Christian guidance he so desperately needs.
 

JonC

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Jon look at the woman on the left of the picture. Praying and looking up at trum*.
The one praying fo the sick man?

I am not saying the photo is fine. It is blasphemous. It expresses a sentiment very close to what I see with many in the far right camp.

BUT we cannot look at the photo (I did not notice that woman praying, I do not see a horned figure, for example) and determine the mindset of Trump when he posted it.

As Christians we need to be more honest. We KNOW the picture is blasphemous. BUT we do not know if Trump looked hard at the picture or just glanced and posted it.


There are members here who have inadvertently posted something very inappropriate. The post was removed or edited. But when they acknowledge it is inappropriate and explain that they did not realize that aspect we take them at their word.

I did that one time. I posted a quote on another site, but on down there was an offensive phrase (I missed it, and to be fair I was unaware of the meaning). I apologized and removed my own post.


We should identify the picture as blasphemous. But we cannot pretend to know Trumps thoughts when he posted the picture.


This is NOT a defense of Trump. I believe the GOP and DNC are equally evil, just evil expressed differently (one is proud of being a wolf, the other a wolf in sheep's clothing).
 

JonC

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We don’t have to peer into Trump’s mind. Just look at the image.
Oh...I agree the image is blasphemous.

I was simply saying that it is un-Christian to suppose we know Trump's mindset. He vould have merely glanced and reposted. Or he could have realized the detail and posted. We do not know.
 

xlsdraw

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President Trump reminds me very much of King Nebuchadnezzar. God used King Nebuchadnezzar mightily. And God humbled King Nebuchadnezzar mightily. And then King Nebuchadnezzar glorified God. And God restored King Nebuchadnezzar. Perhaps similar could happen to President Trump.

It could be, that President Trump is called to execute God's judgment, just as King Nebuchadnezzar was called to execute God's judgment.
 

JonC

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President Trump reminds me very much of King Nebuchadnezzar. God used King Nebuchadnezzar mightily. And God humbled King Nebuchadnezzar mightily. And then King Nebuchadnezzar glorified God. And God restored King Nebuchadnezzar. Perhaps similar could happen to President Trump.

It could be, that President Trump is called to execute God's judgment, just as King Nebuchadnezzar was called to execute God's judgment.
I do not think it is to exercise God's judgment, per se, but all leaders serve God's purpose in some way.

It could happen that Trump turns to God. Of course, it could happen that any leader turns to God (even Iranian leaders). But if I were a betting man, I'd pass on that bet.
 

J.D.

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I voted for this man 3 X. The last time was a mistake. Trump posted this on his truth social last night. It is the single most offensive, blasphemous and heretical thing I have ever seen or heard a president do. The Easter post was bad enough...but this. He doesn't care but I no longer will support him.
A lot of people are blaming Paula White for this. She's a complete charlatan but think about who is really influencing Trump these days. Is Paula White pushing him on this war he's started or is it someone else?
 

Ben1445

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Do you believe God will tolerate this? Ask yourself. Do YOU believe that God will tolerate this?


He has tolerated a long haired Jesus for a very long time.
This is an AI generated image that Trump has said that he didn’t intend to make him look like Jesus.
That is a far cry from

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Put your seat belts on but if this is the reason you are, you are going to be sitting in the car for a little longer than you expect.

I’m not saying someone shouldn’t have caught it. I just don’t think it’s as big a deal as everyone is making it.

My kids and probably many others growing up in church drew pictures of God. It was their explanation of their drawing. God hasn’t stricken any of them dead for it.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

When he says he is higher than any other god, I’ll be worried.
 

xlsdraw

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I've seen others this morning very upset over this all over the internet.

It's BAD, very bad. I'm so afraid some will just sweep it under the rug as a joke or "Oh, he's just mad at the Pope right now".

I'm truly, truly offended at this. l, like you sdcoyote, voted for him 3 times. The first, willingly. The second, with grave reservations. The third, it made me sick to do so and I cried when I got home.

My thoughts, based on his words, deeds, and the way he combats others who dare not agree him, is that he is unhinged. And I believe that those who think he wonderful and to be cheered and NEVER questioned are just LUCKY that the unhinged man they voted for just happens to be a conservative like they are.

What if he were a liberal? This is BAD, folks.

Here's all I can think of this morning. We had ALL better get our spiritual houses in order. Every single American.

Do you believe God will tolerate this? Ask yourself. Do YOU believe that God will tolerate this?

Get your spiritual house in order, your family, your church, yourself. It's about to be a bumpy ride.

Do you believe God used King Nebuchadnezzar to bring judgment upon hard-hearted Judea? Seems to me God uses whom HE chooses to administer His judgment.
 

Ascetic X

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Do you believe God used King Nebuchadnezzar to bring judgment upon hard-hearted Judea? Seems to me God uses whom HE chooses to administer His judgment.

God may be using someone to administer His judgment, but that does not mean we should not exercise scrutiny upon that person.

Especially when his chief spiritual advisor Paula White compares him to Jesus in His sufferings, then he uses the F word and praises Allah in his Easter tweet, and then this sacreligious image is posted with him posing like a healing Jesus.
 

Ascetic X

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He has tolerated a long haired Jesus for a very long time.
This is an AI generated image that Trump has said that he didn’t intend to make him look like Jesus.
That is a far cry from

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Put your seat belts on but if this is the reason you are, you are going to be sitting in the car for a little longer than you expect.

I’m not saying someone shouldn’t have caught it. I just don’t think it’s as big a deal as everyone is making it.

My kids and probably many others growing up in church drew pictures of God. It was their explanation of their drawing. God hasn’t stricken any of them dead for it.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

When he says he is higher than any other god, I’ll be worried.

You actually think an image of Trump posing like a healing Jesus is not a big deal? It does not bother you?

If he posts an image that makes him appear like that, what more does Trump need to do to make you worry?

And in his Easter tweet, Trump uses the F word and praises Allah. A few days after his chief spiritual advisor compares Trump to Jesus.

None of this alarms you? It is not that far from 2 Thessalonians 2:4
 
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