A carryover thread from 'The Children whom God hath given me .'

[Iconoclast]

I am sure he didn't have good things say about Colonel Theme and his teaching. Many who agreed with most of what Theme taught still didn't like the man's teaching. I actually was young about 10-12 when we attended Col. Theme's church, it was a long drive in those days, but my Dad found his teaching spot on. I have several of His books in my library and know several men taught by Him. Several well known pastors of today went through his teaching. However we didn't continue there we found a totally independent Baptist pastor who taught the scriptures verse by verse book by book, he grew as a RCC and knew what that teaching was and sought out the truth and found the teaching of the three types to be true.

I am listening to the message again myself as I Drive its good that you have Theime books because he quotes from to the books and he'll give you the page number and you can look up exactly word for word what he quotes give an accurate quote of things teaching and team was one of the ones you try to accelerate this whole teaching so I'd like it a listen he's going to go over the vs and give the the words of the used the tenses of the word and then if you don't agree that's fine but you can be able to tell me what he said that you find to be wrong

I know it's not easy because it's different than what you've been taught so you're going to react emotionally the first time you listen but as you listen you're going to see that what he saying is very accurate and true

 

[Iconoclast]

I trust you are referring to Charles Finney and not Benny Hinn, who IMO is an apostate.
Your basic disagreement with Scofield is that he was a dispensationalist, and that because you are not. That is not a reason to peg him as one in deep error as most on this board may be dispensationalists (likewise your fellow Calvinist MacArthur).

I am using voice to text on my phone because I can't drive and text you know my point fingers at the same time but I'm speaking to my phone so it doesn't always get the names right guy was speaking of Charles Finney not Benny Hinn Benny hinn is an apostate heretick
he was a sincere man but he had wrong ideas does new measures your post was right on the money .
Finney was in finding himself regret it later on in this life I regretted the convert he had we' yes these are all brought out in the message he gives a fair assessment and he quotes these people directly so he's not just making things up for the sake of making them up he's taken from what was written hey I had free Scofield Bibles I learned a lot from CI Scofield and I learned a lot from the dispensational teaches from Dallas Theological Seminary
I'm not saying that you can't learn from any of these men but what I'm saying is you could still not agree on your end time calendar and they can still teach error even if their sincere and they believe it its still could be shown to be and when something is shown to be error needs to be rejected

 

[DHK]

My Dad liked the Dickenson Study Bible I still have both of his Dicknson's on is in great shape it is newer than the original. I have a Scoffield but very seldom even refer to the notes except to go to a verse that is noted or words noted.

I depend more on Vines, Young's and Strong's and then commentaries from Several. I have over 100 books in my library so a varying supply of helps.

Is it a Dickson New Analytical Study Bible?
I have had one since the mid-70's and finally had to stop using it last year because it is just worn out. They don't make them any more.
According to this link:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0529061945/?tag=baptis04-20

A hard cover used one would cost $249.00.
And the only new one they have would cost $821.00
--It's a good Bible.

 

[revmwc]

I am listening to the message again myself as I Drive its good that you have Theime books because he quotes from to the books and he'll give you the page number and you can look up exactly word for word what he quotes give an accurate quote of things teaching and team was one of the ones you try to accelerate this whole teaching so I'd like it a listen he's going to go over the vs and give the the words of the used the tenses of the word and then if you don't agree that's fine but you can be able to tell me what he said that you find to be wrong

I know it's not easy because it's different than what you've been taught so you're going to react emotionally the first time you listen but as you listen you're going to see that what he saying is very accurate and true

All of his books can still be obtained from http://www.rbthieme.org/

Colonel Theme had an extensive knowledge of the Koine's Greek and its tenses so he too would be considered a Greek scholar and yet he Taught the three types of mankind.

Here is his BIO.

ROBERT B. THIEME, JR. (1918–2009), remains a significant voice of Christianity throughout the world. His diligent, expository teaching is based on the original languages of Scripture in light of the historical context in which the Bible was written. His innovative systems of vocabulary, illustrations, and biblical categories clearly communicate the infallible truths of God's Word. Thieme has recorded more than eleven thousand hours of sermons and published more than one hundred books.



Thieme graduated from the University of Arizona (Phi Beta Kappa) and Dallas Theological Seminary (summa cum laude). His seminary studies were interrupted by World War II military service during which he rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel in the United States Army Air Corps. After completion of his graduate work in 1950, he became pastor of Berachah Church in Houston, Texas. His extensive training in Greek, Hebrew, theology, history, and textual criticism provided the foundation for his demanding professional life of studying and teaching the Word of God. Thieme retired as pastor of Berachah Church after fifty-three years of faithful service

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[revmwc]

All of his books can still be obtained from http://www.rbthieme.org/

Colonel Theme had an extensive knowledge of the Koine's Greek and its tenses so he too would be considered a Greek scholar and yet he Taught the three types of mankind.

Here is his BIO.

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Rebound and Keep moving is a great one which shows how we as Christians rebound when we sin and Keep moving in our spiritual growth.

Here are the particulars.

Rebound & Keep Moving! is the key that unlocks the Christian way of life. After salvation the sin nature remains a relentless adversary, tempting the believer to sin and live in carnality. When the believer sins, fellowship with God is destroyed, the filling of the Holy Spirit is temporarily lost, and spiritual progress ceases.



Rebound is the simplest yet most incredible concept in the spiritual life. Rebound defeats sin. Guilt, anguish, remorse over past failures vanish knowing that God forgives and forgets all past sins. Rebound is our access to intimacy with the Lord, the gateway to divine power in our lives, our license to serve the Lord. Rebound opens the door to the wonderful freedom the grace of God offers to every believer in Jesus Christ.

 

[Iconoclast]

So did you listen to the rest of the message yet

 

[Iconoclast]

All of his books can still be obtained from http://www.rbthieme.org/

Colonel Theme had an extensive knowledge of the Koine's Greek and its tenses so he too would be considered a Greek scholar and yet he Taught the three types of mankind.

Here is his BIO.

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It does not like like it from these opinions of his ministry;

From the website of Errors of R.B. Thieme come the following (all quotations are from tapes of Thieme): <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>There is absolutely nothing wrong with abortion. "Life in the womb is just reflexmotility"

If you are not attending Berachah, it's possible that you are getting decent doctrine, but it's not likely.

If you don't agree totally with Thieme's doctrines, you are a loser and you are inferior - "poor sap"

If you show emotion, especially concerning God, you are weak and "you will fail when the chip are down" (this usually referred to the inevitable invasion of the communists).

"Reading the Bible by yourself, is a waste of time, you can not possibly understand what it means"

If you only attend Berachah on Sundays you are a "holy roller and a loser"

Col. Thieme knows more about the Bible then "anyone who has lived in the past 2000 years" due to a superior knowledge of the Scriptures. Can you believe that he actually says this about himself? I've heard it with my own two ears. I actually recently read an article in the Houston Post written by a true Greek scholar who wrote that "Thieme made several grammatical errors" during multiple sermons. This gentleman was very unimpressed with Thieme's ability to translate the original languages. I have heard the same from other scholars. For me, this was shocking, but it does make sense.

If you sin, get hurt, fail, don't feel it, "just rebound and pull yourself up by your bootstraps"

If you disagree with the Col. you are certainly in "carnality" or "reversionism" and had better change your thinking or you might "be skinned alive with a whip." This is important, because there was an unwritten rule that you never discussed your feelings about Bob's teachings for fear that you might say something wrong and appear to be in "reversionism."

If you go to church six times a week and keep taking in that daily feeding of doctrine, God may take pity on me and bless you with +H (perfect happiness) but don't hold your breath because "most of you will never make it." I'll never forget the time one of my song leaders in prep school announced that she was a super grace believer and she was going to receive the crown of glory when she died - even then I new something was amiss

If you don't believe and practice what Col. Thieme teaches or sin too much you will "die a miserable death" - maybe even the "Sin Unto Death"

Colonel Thieme and Berachah Church are the only hope for our nation. Destruction is eminent! In fact, if it weren't for Berachah and the "pivot" this country would most certainly already be destroyed by the communists.

I go to Berachah Church - I AM BETTER THAN YOU. This one is a tough one to swallow, but if you really look hard, you might have to admit you've thought this at one time.

"There's only one right man or woman for everyone, and if you don't marry him or her then your marriage will fail."

If I screw up, God might strike me down with "triple compound discipline" at any given moment.

Emotions are evil and are very dangerous.

"You should only listen to the teachings of your right pastor (Col. Thieme) and no one else".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://www.geocities.com/readjohn832/Axioms.html
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/thieme-bob.htm
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[Iconoclast]

3
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adelphos

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could

dynamai

not

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speak

laleō

to


you

hymeis

as

hōs

spiritual

pneumatikos

people


,


but

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rather


as

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people


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the


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,


as

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infants

nēpios

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Christ

Christos

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,


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food


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for

gar

you


were


not

oupō

ready

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for


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not

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ready

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3
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mere


men

anthrōpos

 

[revmwc]

http://www.sg-audiotreasures.org/am_carnal.htm

First the teaching that one can be carnal doesn't say they can love their sin nor does it present that.

It teaches that they need to repent of that sin and confess their sins.

First there is no embarrassment in teaching carnality and 1 John 3. They harmonize.

Those who are carnal will not continue in sin it doesn't say that they will not sin for a season.
Romans 3

Romans 8
The carnal mind and spiritual mind. Carnally minded = death=Operational death and or temporal death.

He forgets about the command in Ephesians 5:4-19, Paul's command

4 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

This is a command, "but be filled with the Spirit," because if you are not filled with the Spirit you will not produce Spiritual things.

Also 1 Corinthians 6:

15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Again Paul shows a believer can walk after the flesh walk in sin. If you sin against your own body and it is the temple of the Holy Spirit then you walk in sin with i, that is being carnal. Not allowing the Holy Spirit Control of our lives as Christians that is not being filled with the Spirit is not allowing Him control, so what is in control if not the Spirit? It is Sin or the domination of the old sin nature. If we confess immediately we don't become carnal if we linger in sin for a week or a day we are in carnality and chastening will come but confession must occur.
We see Matthew Henry taught a believer would be come carnal:

He blames them for their carnality, and mentions their contention and discord about their ministers as evidence of it: For you are yet carnal; for whereas there are among you envyings, and strifes, and divisions, are you not carnal, and walk as men? 1 Corinthians 3:3. They had mutual emulations, and quarrels, and factions among them, upon the account of their ministers, while one said, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos, 1 Corinthians 3:4. These were proofs of their being carnal, that fleshly interests and affections too much swayed them. Note, Contentions and quarrels about religion are sad evidences of remaining carnality. True religion makes men peaceable and not contentious. Factious spirits act upon human principles, not upon principles of true religion; they are guided by their own pride and passions, and not by the rules of Christianity: Do you not walk as men? Note, It is to be lamented that many who should walk as Christians, that is, above the common rate of men, do indeed walk as men, live and act too much like other men

While Paul stated clearly the Corinthian believers were Sarkikos (fleshly and carnal) He did contract John 1 John 3,
The Carnal believer walks in sin for a season, can he continue i it for a long period?

Well that is where the sin unto to death comes in, we see in

1 Corinthians 5:
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

So the thing that will happen to the carnal believer is eventually he will be turned over to satan for destruction of the flesh.

And we see in eternity it is clear:

1 Corinthians 3:
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

If this is not the Carnal believer one who is not operating under the power and control of the Spirit in the works he performs and for eternity has no rewards because he never accomplished anything which gained him gold, silver and precious stones then what type of believer would it be?

But if as a believer he walked as a sarkikos man he would gain no rewards of intrinsic value but be saved yet so as through fire.

Here is the carnal believer, or else you need to explain how a Spiritual man a Pnuematikos man could receive only wood, hay and stubble for eternity.

I listened to the first one and find it wanting for the above reasons.

 

[revmwc]

http://www.sg-audiotreasures.org/am_carnal.htm

First the teaching that one can be carnal doesn't say they can love their sin nor does it present that.

It teaches that they need to repent of that sin and confess their sins.

First there is no embarrassment in teaching carnality and 1 John 3. They harmonize.

Those who are carnal will not continue in sin it doesn't say that they will not sin for a season.
Romans 3

Romans 8
The carnal mind and spiritual mind. Carnally minded = death=Operational death and or temporal death.

He forgets about the command in Ephesians 5:4-19, Paul's command



This is a command, "but be filled with the Spirit," because if you are not filled with the Spirit you will not produce Spiritual things.

Also 1 Corinthians 6:



Again Paul shows a believer can walk after the flesh walk in sin. If you sin against your own body and it is the temple of the Holy Spirit then you walk in sin with i, that is being carnal. Not allowing the Holy Spirit Control of our lives as Christians that is not being filled with the Spirit is not allowing Him control, so what is in control if not the Spirit? It is Sin or the domination of the old sin nature. If we confess immediately we don't become carnal if we linger in sin for a week or a day we are in carnality and chastening will come but confession must occur.
We see Matthew Henry taught a believer would be come carnal:



While Paul stated clearly the Corinthian believers were Sarkikos (fleshly and carnal) He did contract John 1 John 3,
The Carnal believer walks in sin for a season, can he continue i it for a long period?

Well that is where the sin unto to death comes in, we see in



So the thing that will happen to the carnal believer is eventually he will be turned over to satan for destruction of the flesh.

And we see in eternity it is clear:



If this is not the Carnal believer one who is not operating under the power and control of the Spirit in the works he performs and for eternity has no rewards because he never accomplished anything which gained him gold, silver and precious stones then what type of believer would it be?

But if as a believer he walked as a sarkikos man he would gain no rewards of intrinsic value but be saved yet so as through fire.

Here is the carnal believer, or else you need to explain how a Spiritual man a Pnuematikos man could receive only wood, hay and stubble for eternity.

I listened to the first one and find it wanting for the above reasons.

Galatians 5:13. Don't let liberty be an occasion to the flesh. Again a reference to becoming Carnal.

 

[Iconoclast]

http://www.sg-audiotreasures.org/am_carnal.htm

Thank you for listening to the messages and taking time to interact with them.

There will now be some more....common ground on this important issue:thumbsup:

As we interact in a more focused way and go back and forth on this issue it has to result in growth for everyone who participates. Even if we do not agree for now I think you will understand how others understand this and why it is totally different.

you raise this issue;

First the teaching that one can be carnal doesn't say they can love their sin nor does it present that.

I am glad to hear that you would not suggest that. In the Christian life we have remaining sin issues that must be dealt with.

Paul describes this struggle in several places, describing the flesh, lusting against the Spirit.

There are fruits of the Spirit.....and works of the flesh. gal5

It teaches that they need to repent of that sin and confess their sins.

Yes.....that sin as in 1 cor 3.....they were dividing over men.....that one sin.

First there is no embarrassment in teaching carnality and 1 John 3. They harmonize.

It really depends on what is being discussed and care must be taken on this topic.

Those who are carnal will not continue in sin

Those who are CARNAL.....are unsaved, natural men.....they do not have the Spirit. They will certainly continue in sin as the flesh dominates them.

it doesn't say that they will not sin for a season.
Romans 3

which part of Romans 3 are you speaking about?

Romans 8
The carnal mind and spiritual mind. Carnally minded = death=Operational death and or temporal death.

The mind set on the flesh...results in death.

this novelty of[operational/temporal death] is not supported in scripture and is unknown in Church history.

He forgets about the command in Ephesians 5:4-19, Paul's command



This is a command, "but be filled with the Spirit," because if you are not filled with the Spirit you will not produce Spiritual things.

no one forgets this

Also 1 Corinthians 6:

1 cor 6 is not your friend in this discussion as we will see.

Again Paul shows a believer can walk after the flesh walk in sin. If you sin against your own body and it is the temple of the Holy Spirit then you walk in sin with i,

no one says believers cannot sin....

that is being carnal.

A Christian is a Spiritual person.......not carnal.

carnal men are unsaved......they are not Spiritual.

A Spiritual man......does not become a non Christian when he sins.
He might be said to be a Spiritual man in sin.....but he does not play spiritual hopscotch between life and death.

Not allowing the Holy Spirit Control of our lives as Christians that is not being filled with the Spirit is not allowing Him control, so what is in control if not the Spirit?

A Christian is always indwelt by the Spirit, even at those times when the Christian grieves the Spirit by sin in the life.

Your children do not cease to be your children when they sin and grieve you.

It is Sin or the domination of the old sin nature.

there is remaining sin and corruption in our body...the old man has been crucified already and we are NOT under sins dominion if we are saved.

If we confess immediately we don't become carnal if we linger in sin for a week or a day we are in carnality and chastening will come but confession must occur.

this is a theory without scriptural support.

 

[Iconoclast]

While Paul stated clearly the Corinthian believers were Sarkikos (fleshly and carnal) He did contract John 1 John 3,

Paul uses two different words that appear the same in English but are two different words...

sarkinos

sarkikos

in the third message the difference is brought out and the illustration given was this...

you can say a saddle is made of leather...........
you can say a mans skin was rough as leather, or leathery.....

Paul uses two separate words rebuking them saying.....

I could not speak to you as Spiritual.........[they were spiritual, but acting like mere unsaved men, in this one sin]

it does not teach that they were not saved from sins domination.....they were...but he tells them they were ACTING LIKE the unsaved, or baby Christians in this one sin.

The incestuous person in chapter 5 was unsaved, not a "carnal Christian" and needed to be put out of the assembly unless he repented.

 

[revmwc]

http://www.sg-audiotreasures.org/am_carnal.htm

Thank you for listening to the messages and taking time to interact with them.

There will now be some more....common ground on this important issue:thumbsup:

As we interact in a more focused way and go back and forth on this issue it has to result in growth for everyone who participates. Even if we do not agree for now I think you will understand how others understand this and why it is totally different.

you raise this issue;


I am glad to hear that you would not suggest that. In the Christian life we have remaining sin issues that must be dealt with.

Paul describes this struggle in several places, describing the flesh, lusting against the Spirit.

There are fruits of the Spirit.....and works of the flesh. gal5


Yes.....that sin as in 1 cor 3.....they were dividing over men.....that one sin.



It really depends on what is being discussed and care must be taken on this topic.



Those who are CARNAL.....are unsaved, natural men.....they do not have the Spirit. They will certainly continue in sin as the flesh dominates them.



which part of Romans 3 are you speaking about?



The mind set on the flesh...results in death.

this novelty of[operational/temporal death] is not supported in scripture and is unknown in Church history.



no one forgets this



1 cor 6 is not your friend in this discussion as we will see.



no one says believers cannot sin....



A Christian is a Spiritual person.......not carnal.

carnal men are unsaved......they are not Spiritual.

A Spiritual man......does not become a non Christian when he sins.
He might be said to be a Spiritual man in sin.....but he does not play spiritual hopscotch between life and death.



A Christian is always indwelt by the Spirit, even at those times when the Christian grieves the Spirit by sin in the life.

Your children do not cease to be your children when they sin and grieve you.



there is remaining sin and corruption in our body...the old man has been crucified already and we are NOT under sins dominion if we are saved.



this is a theory without scriptural support.

At Salvation we are first indwelt and filled by or with a the Holy Spirit. That is why Paul says be not drunk with wine which is don't be under the influence of anything which is sin but be under the influence or control of the Holy Spirit! Since Paul commands us to be filled then that means we lose the filling while staying indwelt.

 

[Iconoclast]

At Salvation we are first indwelt and filled by or with a the Holy Spirit. That is why Paul says be not drunk with wine which is don't be under the influence of anything which is sin but be under the influence or control of the Holy Spirit! Since Paul commands us to be filled then that means we lose the filling while staying indwelt.

Well...yes. In order for this to happen the correct way....all the other duties and responsibilities must happen in the life of a believer.....prayer, study, service, mortification of sin, all the one another passages in the Nt.:thumbsup::thumbsup:.......if these are not happening...something is wrong.

 

[revmwc]

Well...yes. In order for this to happen the correct way....all the other duties and responsibilities must happen in the life of a believer.....prayer, study, service, mortification of sin, all the one another passages in the Nt.:thumbsup::thumbsup:.......if these are not happening...something is wrong.

The moment we are saved we are indwelt and our bodies become the Temple of God. At the same time we are filled with the Spirit, joyful elated with spiritual understanding, then we commit a sin and that joy leaves us and we are miserable and then we confess and that joy returns that is the filling or control of the Holy Spirit. You see the moment sin occurs in our lives we are no longer under the Holy Spirit's control we have allowed the old nature to come back and get control. Until we confess our sin and that is not saying Lord forgive us of our sins as many do in a church prayer that isn't good for anyone. We must confess in private to God our sins, name them one by one and He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. What does it mean all unrighteousness it means a sin you committed not realizing it was a sin, that is what actually lead you to give in to temptation in most cases. Before the Law was given no one knew exactly what every sin was but the Law laid forth certain things which are sins, the law was our school master it taught what sin was. Many things we do are in violation of God's word and are sins we know are sins. But what about cheating on say a test or those who say a little white lie want hurt, those are sins and need to be confessed, those for many are the unrighteousness which lead us to lose that deep abiding fellowship and keep us from living as God wants us to live. Other things are sins of omission God leading us to carry out a specific ministry or help someone and we fail to do so, we committed the sin of omission. We also carry out sins of commission, things we know are wrong and yet do them anyway. We must name them one by one to gain forgiveness not for salvation but to regain the Holy Spirits control and influence in our lives or as I say to regain fellowship. Regain the ability for God to answer our prayers and to bring blessing not chastening into our lives. The Spirit because of His indwelling us begins to convict of sin immediately upon the sin being committed. But we must act by confessing sin in order to restore the filling of the Spirit and thus fellowship.

 

[Iconoclast]

The Christian battles against the world the flesh and the devil the old man has been crucified Romans 6

 

[revmwc]

The Christian battles against the world the flesh and the devil the old man has been crucified Romans 6

Then you have a problem.

Romans 7
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

What dwells in our flesh as believers according Paul no good thing that is our sin nature. Paul said "sin dwelleth in me" that is the sin nature.

 

[Iconoclast]

Then you have a problem.



What dwells in our flesh as believers according Paul no good thing that is our sin nature. Paul said "sin dwelleth in me" that is the sin nature.

We are nowhere told to mortify an old man or a nature
We are twice told to mortify the deeds of the body .
We are to deprive sin of its power we are to reckon the old man already crucified because it happened in the time past it was a completed action.

This is covered in detail in the third message.

 

[revmwc]

The Christian battles against the world the flesh and the devil the old man has been crucified Romans 6

Another problem to deal with:

Paul said:

Ephesians 4:21-23:

21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

If the old man was crucified why does Paul say we need to put off the old man which is corrupt, be renewed in the spirit. That again shows the old man is still in us and still wars in us.

 

[Iconoclast]

We are nowhere told to mortify an old man or a nature
We are twice told to mortify the deeds of the body .
We are to deprive sin of its power we are to reckon the old man already crucified because it happened in the time past it was a completed action.

This is covered in detail in the third message.

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