God also has given the sealing of the Holy Spirit unto us adopted sons and daughters in Christ, and none can break that seal.I think you'll find He did.
"And I give them eternal life and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand" (John 10:28).
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A Concern of Mine
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Gosh! You were quick. I deleted that post when I read Darrell's post again and saw that he isn't arguing against the Perseverance of the Saints.
He isn't, but think our friend posting the OP is!
Nah, rsr got me with Ephesians 1:13-14 and now Darrell C has me with Hebrews 10:14.
I must say that the evidence is strongly in favor of eternal security. Again, my disagreement with Calvinism is now whether we can reject the grace of God. I believe from numerous biblical narratives that this is a confident "yes." Thank you Darrell, Hebrews 10:14 is as conclusive as Ephesians 1:13-14.
I must say that the evidence is strongly in favor of eternal security. Again, my disagreement with Calvinism is now whether we can reject the grace of God. I believe from numerous biblical narratives that this is a confident "yes." Thank you Darrell, Hebrews 10:14 is as conclusive as Ephesians 1:13-14.
I do have sin, and I need constantly to check myself and repent, but this problem is very, very personal to me. I have to state this again after that run to help me understand eternal security more:
Given everyone's comments so far, is the real problem among all baptists, that we talk a lot about the fact that works follow faith. However, when it actually comes to weighing believer's actions, judging them, and disassociating with them if they sin without repentance, all of which the bible commands us to do (1 Corinthians 5:9-13), we turn surprisingly sheepish and silent. I mean, do we even know other church member's well enough to do this? Does that indicate a lack of fellowship? Could pastors turn away those that sin without repentance and not be sued? What I mean is, what is going on? Its not like every single churchgoer is in total obedience to the bible.
Given everyone's comments so far, is the real problem among all baptists, that we talk a lot about the fact that works follow faith. However, when it actually comes to weighing believer's actions, judging them, and disassociating with them if they sin without repentance, all of which the bible commands us to do (1 Corinthians 5:9-13), we turn surprisingly sheepish and silent. I mean, do we even know other church member's well enough to do this? Does that indicate a lack of fellowship? Could pastors turn away those that sin without repentance and not be sued? What I mean is, what is going on? Its not like every single churchgoer is in total obedience to the bible.
Katarina Von Bora
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Of course, we are still fallen and sin, but we try hard not to make a habit of it. What I should say instead "total obedience to the bible" is: "Are we making every effort to obey our Father's will" as 2 Peter 1:3-11 points out. The KJV says are we should "give all diligence," or more directly "are we working as hard as we can?"
Remember, we Calvinists agree that sinners always keep on rejecting grace of God,bu that those God intends to save, His elect, will not resist and will get saved!
Well, the bible states also that it is God Himself who works and wills thru us!