A few questions

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

Dressing in an immodest, provative fashion is not comparable to using inanimate objects as tools.

OK, but lets be more specific, what do you consider immodest and why do you?

 

[donnA]

Donna, your response is an example of why I dont' ask the. It is not enjoyable to be called "holier than thou".

then stop acting like it

 

[Johnv]

Dressing in an immodest, provative fashion is not comparable to using inanimate objects as tools.

You're falsely assuming that dressing fashionably is equal to dressing immodestly. Most women who dress fashionably do so modestly.

It is a big leap to assume I use my computer for porn simply because I have the internet.

It's a big leap to assume that a woman who dresses fashionably is dressing immodestly.

One side note; our foyer at church has tracts condemning the type of clothing and styles our own church women wear.

Your church shounds like it's preoccupied with legalism. Perhaps you folks should get your eyes off of women's blouses, and back into scripture. Considering that absolutely nothign you've posted here so far is consistent with scripture, that might be a good idea.

 

[John Toppass]

I am new to the Baptists. Need help with a few issues.

1- Why do so many baptist women have short hair when the Bible says long hair is the womans glory and her covering?
2- Why do so many baptist women were pearls and gold when the Bible says not to do this?
3- Why do so many baptist women have hair styles and clothing styles which reflect worldly fashions when the bible teaches non conformity and condems friendship with the world? this applies to many baptist men as well
Not trying to stir up a debat, just wondering why bible believing people can ignore certain scriptures which are very plain and difficult to misunderstand.

For the most part I do not think that most baptist women dressing the way you are stating are dressed sinfully. The way you apply scripture to yourself does not necessarily apply to others. Some may think you are reading something into the scripture that is not there or at least is not meant.

I am not trying to offend so I will close by saying if you do not want to wear short hair then don't, if you don't want to wear pearls or gold then don't and if you have a particular style of modest dress then do, but do not require all others to adhere to your thinking by telling them that they are ignoring Gods Word.

 

[fbcodr]

welcome to the BB... so you're not trying to stir up debate?

would hate to see when you are trying to
:laugh:

GOOD ONE!!!:laugh::BangHead:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

You're falsely assuming that dressing fashionably is equal to dressing immodestly. Most women who dress fashionably do so modestly.

It's a big leap to assume that a woman who dresses fashionably is dressing immodestly.

John is correct. No one could argue with 308 you if you argued for modesty, that is biblical. You seem to have equated fashion with modesty.

What fashion do you choose? Is it western fashion, middle eastern, far eastern, or other.

I assume you choose western (as in European/North American) dress. If I am correct, why is that? Why would you not choose true Biblical attire if you truly do not want to look like the world?

 

[SaggyWoman]

I am new to the Baptists. Need help with a few issues.

1- Why do so many baptist women have short hair when the Bible says long hair is the womans glory and her covering?
2- Why do so many baptist women were pearls and gold when the Bible says not to do this?
3- Why do so many baptist women have hair styles and clothing styles which relfect worldly fashions when the bible teaches non conformity and condems friendship with the world? this applies to many baptist men as well
Not trying to stir up a debat, just wondering why bible believing people can ignore certain scriptures which are very plain and difficult to misunderstand.

I am an old Baptist and I am having an issue with one issue.

1. Why do so many baptist men and women forget the verse "Be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ has forgiven you?"

Put clothes on that.

 

[saturneptune]

I am an old Baptist and I am having an issue with one issue.

1. Why do so many baptist men and women forget the verse "Be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ has forgiven you?"

Put clothes on that.

In the last few months the problem has been rampant. People register and from post one, start in pushing hot buttons or trolling. I do not know if these are people who get a kick out of doing this forum to forum, or they are former members who were banned. One would think when BB gets a registration, it would show is someone is registering under an IP address of a banned member.

The major problem though is the attention they seem to get from regulars. It plays right into their hands.

 

[Jim1999]

Sometimes we need to learn the blessing of silence. Make your point and shut up.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[308 Haverhill]

I will let this be my final post and then I will move on. Thank you to those who took the time to thoughtfully and paintently respond to my questions. I will give a brief summary of my thoughts and then I will move on and let it rest.

I based my statements on the following verses:

1 Tim 2:9
1 Corin 11:14-15
James: 4:4

We see and apply these verses differently. I understand that. If you read my posts, you will see I have not problem with those who have a different view. I do have a problem with those who use sarcasim to respond to a post they don't agree with. I have a problem with people who assume they know my motives in posting and my approach to my spiritual life and feel free to call me holier than thou. I don't see how that is helpful or being a good example.
I want to clarify a few points. As far a 1 Tim 2:9 and 1 Corn 11:14-15. I take these verses at face value. Not saying that you have to. I read them to say that God desires men to have short hair, women long hair and men and women to not adorn themselves with gold, pearls ect. I believe God has made man and woman different, both emotionally and externally. Most people are repulsed by a man with long hair. As the scripture says, natures teachs us it is a shame for a man to have long hair. I feel the opposite applies to woman. When men or woman very from God's design, and them proceed to color their hair in ways that are unnatural, I think it detracts from the beauty of God's desgin. That is how I read those verses and I will leave it at that. It is not legalism to me, it is simply folllowing what I believe to be God's will.
I John 2:15-17 defines what is worldly. Cars, electrical appliances, computers ect. are not neccessarilty addressed in these verses. Verse 16 speaks of the "pride of life". I believe how we dress can be an expression of the pride of life. If we dress to draw attention to our selves,then we have a problem with pride.
As far as modesty goes, it has nothing to do with wearing modern or old fashioned clothes. Most men inparticular (because of the way we are made) know an immodest dress when we see it; form fitting, too revealing, designed in such a way to draw the eye to certain parts of the body. When a woman wears a dress (be it from the 1800s or 2000s) which has a low cut neckline and wears a necklace which draws the eye to the top of her chest, to me that is modest. I see that often. Once again just stating my opinion.
Didn't mean to offend, just trying to get some opinions. Thanks again to those who took a Christ like approach and made an honest attempt to address my concern.

God be with you all

Goodbye

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I realise that you are not gone, but if you had addresses modesty instead of fashion in the OP you would not have had near the disagreement.

I think we would all agree that modesty is the Biblical standard.

 

[blackbird]

In the last few months the problem has been rampant. People register and from post one, start in pushing hot buttons or trolling. I do not know if these are people who get a kick out of doing this forum to forum, or they are former members who were banned. One would think when BB gets a registration, it would show is someone is registering under an IP address of a banned member.

The major problem though is the attention they seem to get from regulars. It plays right into their hands.

I'm with ya, SN----there is a registration and sometimes banned members who reenroll DO get caught----but some do slip in through the cracks

 

[Johnv]

Haverhill says that we see verses like 1 Tim 2:9, 1 Corin 11:14-15, and James: 4:4 differently. Given his inability to discern between fashion and modesty, I'd say his statement is true: We see them in proper context, and he sees them incorrectly applied.

I wonder how he'd react to worshipping with Christian villagers in Papua New Guinea. Their view of modesty is the wearing of a belt, and little else. The men and women are topless. But if a person isn't wearing a proper belt, that person is considered to be immodest. No one in church there goes without a belt. To do so is considered to be indecent.

Having been there and worshipped with them, I can tell you from firsthand experience that they are more modest than some of us.

 

[HankD]

I am new to the Baptists. Need help with a few issues.

1- Why do so many baptist women have short hair when the Bible says long hair is the womans glory and her covering?
2- Why do so many baptist women were pearls and gold when the Bible says not to do this?
3- Why do so many baptist women have hair styles and clothing styles which relfect worldly fashions when the bible teaches non conformity and condems friendship with the world? this applies to many baptist men as well
Not trying to stir up a debat, just wondering why bible believing people can ignore certain scriptures which are very plain and difficult to misunderstand.

Look Haverhill, this is a debate forum. stirring up a debate is proper, but a debate that stirs up strife is another and forbidden by Scripture.

IMO these questions are legitimate and indeed need to be responded to by each person and not so much addressed to the churches at large.

Look at the responses you received. From them you can see that you have hit a raw nerve and have stirred up some strife as the outcome.

Some of us are carnally minded and it shows in our lifestyle. Generally when we are born-again we are babes in Christ and not matured children of God.

When we are regenerated we are justified. Then comes sanctification.
It seems to me that each of us moves at a different speed and start at different points in our sanctification.

That is why any child of God needs time to grow, to go from milk to meat, to understand and realize that Jesus Christ is Lord of our lives as well as Savior.

True, some, maybe even most, will never mature to the biblical standard.

But (or so it seems) that while your motives may very well be pure and the source the love of God and your brethren, there is something about your approach that seems flawed, I can't exactly put my finger on it but here is are some Scriptures to consider.

James 4

11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?​

One needs also to take care when attempting to correct others directly or indirectly:

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.​

In my estimation it is better to leave these questions alone here at the BB, see to yourself and your spouse in your own local church and be the example to the babes in Christ and pray that the Spirit of God mature your brothers and sisters for whom Christ suffered and died.

If you are a leader or believe yourself a spiritual person in your local church, here is a helpful Scripture:

1 Peter 5

2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:​

Finally, as Jesus indicated that even under the law there were weightier matters than certain details of the law.

I believe that under grace there are weightier matters than length of hair, etc. Unless there is scandalous immodesty then my advice FWIW is to leave the admonishment alone, teach by both gentle words and example and bear the burden of your weaker brethren.


HankD