a list of threats

Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, many cults, as well as Roman Catholics have people who are nice and do good works. They all say that they have accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior. So, it is not the end of the story. You have to ask yourself what they meant by that statement. We're Baptists and even we can't agree on what the word "saved" means. How can you expect other religions to mean what we mean when they use the same words we do. IF (and that's a big "if") she accepted Christ (Did she accept the true Christ or the Roman Catholic version of Christ). Pure water is H2O, if you add anything to it it still has water in it but it is no longer pure. It might be tasty if you add the right incredients but it still isn't pure. Salvation is base upon the "pure" saving grace of Christ and Christ alone. Adding something to it might make it tasty but it will no longer be "pure" Christ.
None of these people are the slightest threat to Christianity. Their only threat is to the unsaved and there they are a significant threat. The defense of these people has been consistently solely based on whether or not these people are "nice". If you like them then they are OK and if you don't like them then they are dismissed.

 

You probably wouldn't like my Pastor either. You need to add his name.

 

I think the key words in your question there mate are the "IF"s: "if you believe" etc. If MT was just another Roman I would not have near as many doubts about her, however as dianetavegia quoted MT seemed to have some sort of universalist beliefs, which I find very hard (if not impossible) to reconcile with a true Christian, a supposedly as "old" a Christian as MT anyway.

Pete

 

He's not Word of Faith,
He's not Prosperity Gospel,
He asserts faith in Christ alone for salvation,
He asserts that God has a plan for us, a plan for good, and a future with hope.

While I understand why some disagree with his methods, I see no peoblem with his message.

 

WHy is it that we see good works as a threat, and try to lump the workers of good together as a bunch of evildoers.

It's unfortunate that so many well meaning Baptists are too lazy to do good works themselves, and then use salvation by faith alone as an excuse to sit on their righteous bums and not help those in need.

You mean, we Baptists don't add our own additives to the water? We don't require our adults to be baptised? We don't require an adherance to the separation of church and state? Aren't these two things that are irrelevant to salvation, but required to be a Baptist?

 

Doing something good for mankind is honorable, but that does not make it righteous. Unless Christ is lifted up and glorified, then it is vain.

 

WHy is it that we see good works as a threat, and try to lump the workers of good together as a bunch of evildoers.

It's unfortunate that so many well meaning Baptists are too lazy to do good works themselves, and then use salvation by faith alone as an excuse to sit on their righteous bums and not help those in need.

You mean, we Baptists don't add our own additives to the water? We don't require our adults to be baptised? We don't require an adherance to the separation of church and state? Aren't these two things that are irrelevant to salvation, but required to be a Baptist? </font>[/QUOTE]For your info, not every Baptist fits that description. Baptism is NOT limited to adults, only to professing believers as the ordinance of the church. It's all a matter of obedience to the command to be baptized. If you're really a Baptist, you'd know that. As far as separation of church and state, that is a conviction, not a preference, but , yes, both are irrelevant for salvation and also irrelevant to the topic.

 

"Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, you do so also unto me."

Doing something good for mankind is honorable. Let's do our jobs, and let Christ be free to do his.

I'd rather seek God in a good deed and be mistaken than seek Satan in a good deed and be right.

 

For your info, not every Baptist fits that description. Baptism is NOT limited to adults, only to professing believers as the ordinance of the church. It's all a matter of obedience to the command to be baptized. If you're really a Baptist, you'd know that. As far as separation of church and state, that is a conviction, not a preference...
Both the believer's baptism and separation of Baptist distinctives, and all Baptists are bound to adhere to them, regardless of the biblical teachings on the same.

, but , yes, both are irrelevant for salvation and also irrelevant to the topic.
It's an approprite response to the previous comment about water not being pure. If catholcs can't be saved if they do good works, because it pollutes the "pure water", then neither can Baptists be baptized and be saved, because requiring it pollutes the "pure water". If it's irrelevant to the topic, then so is every previous post about good works.

 

(duplicate post deleted... sorry)

 

Why indeed? I think you have a very good point.

My Pastor calls it sitting on their "Blessed Assurance"


Charlotte

 

What does the Bible say?

Romans 10: “6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

OK, I know what I think now….

 

Would that include me?

Bill

 

Good works is certainly not a threat, good works ADDED to salvation by faith alone is. Doing good deeds in order to get salvation IS evil. It stomps on the blood of Christ and makes it merely ONE of the things that washes away sin.

There isn't much more of an insult to grace than to say it isn't good enough and we must add works to
it.

Misuse of the doctrine of salvation by faith alone does not negate the doctrine.

We baptists don't add anything (baptism, church membership, good works, etc.) to the water. We DON"T require adults to be baptiozed in order to be saved. We DON"T require adherance to the seperation of church and state in order to be saved. NOTHING is added to the water. I do have to drink it but nothing is added to it.