a list of threats

[massdak]

i wanted to post this to help curb some of the confussion regarding mother ts religion>>>>>

Canon 12 reads as follows: "If anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ's sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, let him be anathema."

this is a very serious charge by the catholic church against those who ascribe to the gospel of Christ

 

[Artimaeus]

Originally posted by Johnv:

If she accepted Christ as her savior, THEN she's saved.

I've posted a quote from her which testifies to her doing just that. End of story. Period.

Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, many cults, as well as Roman Catholics have people who are nice and do good works. They all say that they have accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior. So, it is not the end of the story. You have to ask yourself what they meant by that statement. We're Baptists and even we can't agree on what the word "saved" means. How can you expect other religions to mean what we mean when they use the same words we do. IF (and that's a big "if") she accepted Christ (Did she accept the true Christ or the Roman Catholic version of Christ). Pure water is H2O, if you add anything to it it still has water in it but it is no longer pure. It might be tasty if you add the right incredients but it still isn't pure. Salvation is base upon the "pure" saving grace of Christ and Christ alone. Adding something to it might make it tasty but it will no longer be "pure" Christ.
None of these people are the slightest threat to Christianity. Their only threat is to the unsaved and there they are a significant threat. The defense of these people has been consistently solely based on whether or not these people are "nice". If you like them then they are OK and if you don't like them then they are dismissed.

 

[bapterian]

You probably wouldn't like my Pastor either. You need to add his name.

 

[Pete]

By BrianT:
Yes, there's no doubt in my mind that I would disagree with Mother T on a great many issues - just as I'm sure I would disagree with *you* about a great many issues. But the bottom line is this: if you believe in the Lord Jesus as your savior, if you are under God's grace, mistakes in doctrine are not going negate that grace. If you are under God's grace, but make mistakes in doctrine (I know I do!!!), are you lost? No, you are not. Why do different rules apply to Mother T?

I think the key words in your question there mate are the "IF"s: "if you believe" etc. If MT was just another Roman I would not have near as many doubts about her, however as dianetavegia quoted MT seemed to have some sort of universalist beliefs, which I find very hard (if not impossible) to reconcile with a true Christian, a supposedly as "old" a Christian as MT anyway.

Pete

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by dianetavegia:
Robert Schuller is still alive! I vote to 'discuss' his misteachings next!

He's not Word of Faith,
He's not Prosperity Gospel,
He asserts faith in Christ alone for salvation,
He asserts that God has a plan for us, a plan for good, and a future with hope.

While I understand why some disagree with his methods, I see no peoblem with his message.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Artimaeus:
Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, many cults, as well as Roman Catholics have people who are nice and do good works.

WHy is it that we see good works as a threat, and try to lump the workers of good together as a bunch of evildoers.

It's unfortunate that so many well meaning Baptists are too lazy to do good works themselves, and then use salvation by faith alone as an excuse to sit on their righteous bums and not help those in need.

Pure water is H2O, if you add anything to it it still has water in it but it is no longer pure.

You mean, we Baptists don't add our own additives to the water? We don't require our adults to be baptised? We don't require an adherance to the separation of church and state? Aren't these two things that are irrelevant to salvation, but required to be a Baptist?

 

[Jailminister]

Doing something good for mankind is honorable, but that does not make it righteous. Unless Christ is lifted up and glorified, then it is vain.

 

[Istherenotacause]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Artimaeus:
Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, many cults, as well as Roman Catholics have people who are nice and do good works.

WHy is it that we see good works as a threat, and try to lump the workers of good together as a bunch of evildoers.

It's unfortunate that so many well meaning Baptists are too lazy to do good works themselves, and then use salvation by faith alone as an excuse to sit on their righteous bums and not help those in need.

Pure water is H2O, if you add anything to it it still has water in it but it is no longer pure.

You mean, we Baptists don't add our own additives to the water? We don't require our adults to be baptised? We don't require an adherance to the separation of church and state? Aren't these two things that are irrelevant to salvation, but required to be a Baptist? </font>[/QUOTE]For your info, not every Baptist fits that description. Baptism is NOT limited to adults, only to professing believers as the ordinance of the church. It's all a matter of obedience to the command to be baptized. If you're really a Baptist, you'd know that. As far as separation of church and state, that is a conviction, not a preference, but , yes, both are irrelevant for salvation and also irrelevant to the topic.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Jailminister:
Doing something good for mankind is honorable, but that does not make it righteous. Unless Christ is lifted up and glorified, then it is vain.

"Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, you do so also unto me."

Doing something good for mankind is honorable. Let's do our jobs, and let Christ be free to do his.

I'd rather seek God in a good deed and be mistaken than seek Satan in a good deed and be right.

 

[Johnv]

For your info, not every Baptist fits that description. Baptism is NOT limited to adults, only to professing believers as the ordinance of the church. It's all a matter of obedience to the command to be baptized. If you're really a Baptist, you'd know that. As far as separation of church and state, that is a conviction, not a preference...
Both the believer's baptism and separation of Baptist distinctives, and all Baptists are bound to adhere to them, regardless of the biblical teachings on the same.

, but , yes, both are irrelevant for salvation and also irrelevant to the topic.
It's an approprite response to the previous comment about water not being pure. If catholcs can't be saved if they do good works, because it pollutes the "pure water", then neither can Baptists be baptized and be saved, because requiring it pollutes the "pure water". If it's irrelevant to the topic, then so is every previous post about good works.

 

[Johnv]

(duplicate post deleted... sorry)

 

[Charlotte Marcel]

Originally posted by Johnv:
WHy is it that we see good works as a threat, and try to lump the workers of good together as a bunch of evildoers.

It's unfortunate that so many well meaning Baptists are too lazy to do good works themselves, and then use salvation by faith alone as an excuse to sit on their righteous bums and not help those in need.

Why indeed? I think you have a very good point.

My Pastor calls it sitting on their "Blessed Assurance"


Charlotte

 

[Graceforever]

Originally posted by massdak:
to Christian living and doctrine

teachers and preachers to avoid past and present

1. Billy Graham

2. Billy Sunday

3. Bill Gothard

4. Bill Clinton (just kidding but due avoid him)

5. just about any bill out there

6. All Liberals and most moderates too

7. Robert Schuller and his son

8. I now include Pat Robertson and Falwell

9. Benny Hinn and all charismatics

10.Finney

11. Mother Theresa (just to name a few.)

What does the Bible say?

Romans 10: “6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

OK, I know what I think now….

 

[Bible Believing Bill]

Originally posted by massdak 5. just about any bill out there

Would that include me?

Bill

 

[Artimaeus]

Originally posted by Johnv:
WHy is it that we see good works as a threat, and try to lump the workers of good together as a bunch of evildoers.

Good works is certainly not a threat, good works ADDED to salvation by faith alone is. Doing good deeds in order to get salvation IS evil. It stomps on the blood of Christ and makes it merely ONE of the things that washes away sin.

Heb 10:29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

There isn't much more of an insult to grace than to say it isn't good enough and we must add works to
it.

It's unfortunate that so many well meaning Baptists are too lazy to do good works themselves, and then use salvation by faith alone as an excuse to sit on their righteous bums and not help those in need.

Misuse of the doctrine of salvation by faith alone does not negate the doctrine.

You mean, we Baptists don't add our own additives to the water? We don't require our adults to be baptised? We don't require an adherance to the separation of church and state? Aren't these two things that are irrelevant to salvation, but required to be a Baptist?

We baptists don't add anything (baptism, church membership, good works, etc.) to the water. We DON"T require adults to be baptiozed in order to be saved. We DON"T require adherance to the seperation of church and state in order to be saved. NOTHING is added to the water. I do have to drink it but nothing is added to it.