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a list of threats
- Thread starter massdak
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are you looking for honor? well as per list
billy graham jerry falwell, robertson are involved in the ecumenism and embracing charismatic and catholic beliefs. other errors involve altar calls and other errors. gothard has many wacko and extrabiblcal demands and legalism. bill clinton, well, you know his story. and as far as you, even jerry falwell and many on my list would know that mother t was not even a Christian.
It's an editorial that someone stuck on a free website. It's of no more weight than anything we type here. The site is not a news article. It's a commentary, an opinion.
The words I posted were Mother Theresa's own testimony from her own lips, attesting to the fact that she's a devoted follower of Christ. You guys are complaining she never gave a testimony of faith, and when I post one, you scoff at it.
Come on John, don't you realize that massdak can see into the hearts and minds of all that dare differ from him?
</font>[/QUOTE]no, i cannot see in peoples hearts and minds. but compare the bible with what people teach and preach. i depend on the Lord to help me with His word, and guide me in His truth and safe guard me against believing false teaching.billy graham jerry falwell, robertson are involved in the ecumenism and embracing charismatic and catholic beliefs.
Can you be a little more specific? All I see is labelling.
other errors involve altar calls and other errors.
Altar calls are unbiblical? BTW - what do you mean, "other errors involve ... other errors"??
gothard has many wacko and extrabiblcal demands and legalism.
Like?
bill clinton, well, you know his story.
Specific example?? I never considered Bill Clinton a spritual leader, even before he redifined the phrase "sexual relations".
and as far as you, even jerry falwell and many on my list would know that mother t was not even a Christian.
I thought you said you think these folks are in error anyway. BTW - who else on the list believes mother theresa was not a Christian. Robert Schuller? Billy Graham? Do they believe that?
Can you be a little more specific? All I see is labelling.
other errors involve altar calls and other errors.
Altar calls are unbiblical? BTW - what do you mean, "other errors involve ... other errors"??
gothard has many wacko and extrabiblcal demands and legalism.
Like?
bill clinton, well, you know his story.
Specific example?? I never considered Bill Clinton a spritual leader, even before he redifined the phrase "sexual relations".
and as far as you, even jerry falwell and many on my list would know that mother t was not even a Christian.
I thought you said you think these folks are in error anyway. BTW - who else on the list believes mother theresa was not a Christian. Robert Schuller? Billy Graham? Do they believe that?
Jailminister
New Member
That was not just a commentary, it wass witnesses. Much different. My comments were commentary, but I gave you witnesses. Oh well.
YOU are making accusations against these people, so why don't YOU post them?
So far, I've gotten YOU breaking what the Bible teaches, specifically against rumor and gossip, as well as judging people's salvation, most notably with Mother Theresa. </font>[/QUOTE]what i am saying is, if, mother t died believing in what is well documented as her belief system and many of the documented comments made by her, then i believe unless she repented of her dead works and believed on the Lord Jesus minus any catholic merit, then lacking that, she died in her sins
Yes, doctrine is important. But it is not the whole picture. Actions are a huge part of the Christian life. Read Matt 25:31ff. I don't know about you, but when I read that passage, Mother T is the image that pops in my head. And I also noticed that "doctrine" is not mentioned *once* in that passage. Mother T had faith in Christ (as John provided) and has the works to back it up, and yet "fundamentalists" write her out of salvation because of which church she associated with. That's really just shameful.
I have young kids that fight and disagree, and I sometimes think God looks at us like I look at my kids. Sometimes when they fight over an issue, one is technically correct (his "doctrine" is solid) and the other is technically wrong, but the correct one is being belligerent and proud, yelling and even sometimes smacking the other, who is sincere and meek. Who do you think annoys Dad more?
The world needs more Mother Ts.
Charlotte Marcel
New Member
Massdak, Mother Theresa died on September 5, 1997, in Calcutta, at age 87. She was not a pastor, she did not preach. She had a ministry of helping the underpriviledged and infirm. Her humanitarian efforts won her the Nobel Peace Prize.
I believe she was saved. She had written several books about loving Jesus Christ completely with her whole heart, mind and soul. It is impossible for me to fathom how a woman could speak of a kind of love so profound, so complete without salvation.
If you can't appreciate that. There is nothing else I can say to you. But threat? I don't see how you support that opinion.
I believe she was saved. She had written several books about loving Jesus Christ completely with her whole heart, mind and soul. It is impossible for me to fathom how a woman could speak of a kind of love so profound, so complete without salvation.
If you can't appreciate that. There is nothing else I can say to you. But threat? I don't see how you support that opinion.
Yes, doctrine is important. But it is not the whole picture. Actions are a huge part of the Christian life. Read Matt 25:31ff. I don't know about you, but when I read that passage, Mother T is the image that pops in my head. And I also noticed that "doctrine" is not mentioned *once* in that passage. Mother T had faith in Christ (as John provided) <i>and</i> has the works to back it up, and yet "fundamentalists" write her out of salvation because of which church she associated with. That's really just shameful.
I have young kids that fight and disagree, and I sometimes think God looks at us like I look at my kids. Sometimes when they fight over an issue, one is technically correct (his "doctrine" is solid) and the other is technically wrong, but the correct one is being belligerent and proud, yelling and even sometimes smacking the other, who is sincere and meek. Who do you think annoys Dad more?
The world needs more Mother Ts. </font>[/QUOTE]it sounds like to me you are comparing your justice and your feelings with how God should behave? do you believe the bible when it says that man is not even a God lover until his heart is changed by the Lord? a man must be born again in order to love God. i strongly disagree with you. God does care about doctrine He wants us to know the truth.
Charlotte Marcel
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By your own admission then you agree that Mother Theresa is not a threat as you put it because of a lack of salvation.
Now on to Billy Sunday.....
William Ashley "Billy" Sunday
Nov. 19, 1862 - Nov. 6 1935
Billy Sunday was born into poverty, grandson of German immigrants. He held a number of odd jobs until 1883, when he was discovered by Chicago White Stockings manager "Cap" Anson. Sunday, an extraordinarily fast runner, joined the White Stockings and played professional baseball for eight years.
After hearing hymns sung by the Pacific Garden Mission, Sunday became a born-again Christian in 1886. He retired from baseball in 1891 to work as an assistant to an evangelist, and became a preacher himself in 1896.
Sunday's sensationalistic "fire and brimstone" preaching was incredibly popular. He traveled from town to town, holding revival meetings in temporary wooden tabernacles, condemning liquor, birth control, and other sins of the modern age.
As times changed, Sunday was increasingly seen as a relic of the past, and his popularity waned. He died of a heart attack in Chicago in 1935.
Okay...now this bio says that he was saved...so you can't use that as the reason. He was a strong preacher of Biblical Doctrine...so what's your problem with him?
Heritage baptist Church. Hmmm Seems I have read about that one too.....
My God is so big that He reached down and lifted up the likes of Solomon and David who messed with women too. I like Bill. I pray for him rather than sentence him to Hell, cos my God is too big to let me do that.
Cheers,
Jim
My God is so big that He reached down and lifted up the likes of Solomon and David who messed with women too. I like Bill. I pray for him rather than sentence him to Hell, cos my God is too big to let me do that.
Cheers,
Jim
Charlotte Marcel
New Member
So she isn't a threat because of not being saved as you previously stated...but because she was Catholic? Is that what you are saying?
By your own admission then you agree that Mother Theresa is not a threat as you put it because of a lack of salvation.
Now on to Billy Sunday.....
William Ashley "Billy" Sunday
Nov. 19, 1862 - Nov. 6 1935
Billy Sunday was born into poverty, grandson of German immigrants. He held a number of odd jobs until 1883, when he was discovered by Chicago White Stockings manager "Cap" Anson. Sunday, an extraordinarily fast runner, joined the White Stockings and played professional baseball for eight years.
After hearing hymns sung by the Pacific Garden Mission, Sunday became a born-again Christian in 1886. He retired from baseball in 1891 to work as an assistant to an evangelist, and became a preacher himself in 1896.
Sunday's sensationalistic "fire and brimstone" preaching was incredibly popular. He traveled from town to town, holding revival meetings in temporary wooden tabernacles, condemning liquor, birth control, and other sins of the modern age.
As times changed, Sunday was increasingly seen as a relic of the past, and his popularity waned. He died of a heart attack in Chicago in 1935.
Okay...now this bio says that he was saved...so you can't use that as the reason. He was a strong preacher of Biblical Doctrine...so what's your problem with him? </font>[/QUOTE]forget the sensationalism, the gospel needs none of it. billy had his pet peeves about liquor which i agree is a bad thing when abused, but i believe billy preached a moral conversion other then Christ crucified as the apostle Paul had.
So she isn't a threat because of not being saved as you previously stated...but because she was Catholic? Is that what you are saying? </font>[/QUOTE]nope, i am saying for Christian living, if one would ascribe to her works as being a Christian and not to live by faith, then her example is a threat. why don't you do a search and read some documented comments and her writings.