A Mexican to Build the Wall

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I understand truthful statements and rational arguments not the lies and misleading statements made by Trump and his supporters.

You may feel this way, but you seem unable to demonstrate it.

Here is a simple presentation for you.

 

[FollowTheWay]

You may feel this way, but you seem unable to demonstrate it.

Your unable to understand rational arguments based on factual statements.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Open borders are notoriously difficult to patrol, but walls seriously limit illegal crossings and make patrolling much easier, more effective. The combination is simply a must. This is why the US Border Patrol wants a wall.

The only ones who do not want a wall are those who do not really care about all illegal entry of drugs, of gangs, of thieves, of rapists, of murderers, of sex trafficking, of child prostitution, of criminal aliens who bilk the system by the billions--this especially includes Democrats, who know they will benefit politically from the displacement of current citizens.

How about some facts to support your assertions?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Here is a simple presentation for you.

Fox "News," Breitbart, etc. never present facts only propaganda.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Fox "News," Breitbart, etc. never present facts only propaganda.

Does this look like a crisis to you? Back around 2001, maybe. Now? No.

 

[Revmitchell]

Does this look like a crisis to you? Back around 2001, maybe. Now? No.View attachment 2743

This post is the epitome of propaganda. While the info may be true, it is presented in a way that tries to minimize the concern. The truth is there are more facts to consider than just how many apprehensions have occurred. Most likely learned this method from CNN or MSNBC

 

[FollowTheWay]

This post is the epitome of propaganda. While the info may be true, it is presented in a way that tries to minimize the concern. The truth is there are more facts to consider than just how many apprehensions have occurred. Most likely learned this method from CNN or MSNBC

Let's see your additional "facts."

 

[Revmitchell]

Let's see your additional "facts."

Your little graph there doesn't show how many crossed the boarder and were not apprehended.
It doesn't show the caravans who are being created by outside forces and financed by others than the people who are part of the caravan.
It doesn't show the drugs and guns that come across the boarder.

Your pathetic little graph just shows one small element of the border crisis and you then tried to paint the whole by it. That misrepresentation by you ( your lie) is called propaganda

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Fox "News," Breitbart, etc. never present facts only propaganda.

There's your problem right there. You are bent on selective hearing to the point that you cannot listen to firsthand evidence. Are you really suggesting that those hosting the tour were imposters, not really tasked with border security?

 

[FollowTheWay]

There's your problem right there. You are bent on selective hearing to the point that you cannot listen to firsthand evidence. Are you really suggesting that those hosting the tour were imposters, not really tasked with border security?

One person's view does not make for an overall conclusion. How about this statistic? Obama greatly increased the number of border agents relative to GW Bush. Trump has reduced the number of border agents that Obama had.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2017-Dec/BP Staffing FY1992-FY2017.pdf

 

[Revmitchell]

One person's view does not make for an overall conclusion. How about this statistic? Obama greatly increased the number of border agents relative to GW Bush. Trump has reduced the number of border agents that Obama had.

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2017-Dec/BP Staffing FY1992-FY2017.pdf

Your link doesn't say that Trump reduced them. Another lie from you

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

One person's view does not make for an overall conclusion.

The presentation I linked wasn't of one person but a firsthand account from a team of border security personnel.

On the other hand, your own cited article was a slanted opinion piece by a single person unrelated to the report. The piece was so bad that it had to be intentionally skewed, aimed at people unable or unwilling to properly process information. Even worse, the article seems to have been propagated all over the Internet.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Are you saying you know more about drug smuggling than the Drug Enforcement Agency? That's what Trump is saying but then he says that about everything but knows nothing.

No, I’m plainly saying that all too often you have a seriously hard time understanding what is written, especially when some reason and logic need to be applied, and that such is the case here.

Your own article was from one person’s very biased, intentionally naïve perspective of one report. It was focused entirely on the Northeast (esp. New Jersey), Florida, Puerto Rico, the Bahamas, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Colombia, Venezuela, as if there are no Mexican cartels, as if no drugs go anywhere else in the USA.

Trump’s comments related specifically to the US-Mexican border and what comes across there. There was no claim that all drugs enter by crossing that border. And there is no proof offered in the article. That's because the author had none.

 

[Benjamin]

Open borders are notoriously difficult to patrol, but walls seriously limit illegal crossings and make patrolling much easier, more effective. The combination is simply a must. This is why the US Border Patrol wants a wall.

The only ones who do not want a wall are those who do not really care about all illegal entry of drugs, of gangs, of thieves, of rapists, of murderers, of sex trafficking, of child prostitution, of criminal aliens who bilk the system by the billions--this especially includes Democrats, who know they will benefit politically from the displacement of current citizens.

How about some facts to support your assertions?

Seems Israel was able to deal with such methods after starting with a wall - to which they give the credit. Hmm?

Now what?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Trump Says Border Wall Will Stop Drugs. Here’s What a DEA Intel Report Says.

President Donald Trump says his wall at the U.S.-Mexico border will help stem the flow of illegal drugs into the United States. There’s one problem with the plan: The drugs coming into the U.S. Northeast often arrive by plane, boat, or hidden in vehicles, according to an intelligence report by the Drug Enforcement Administration.

A 24-page report prepared by the DEA in May found that drugs coming from Mexico do often enter through the southwestern border, but they do so concealed in vehicles, like tractor-trailers. Moreover, drugs coming from Colombia are more often transported by plane and boat, the reports notes.

Although your cited report was concerned with Dominican traffickers in the Northeast, it suggests that the influx of Mexicans threatens to displace them there eventually, that is, Mexicans may build up a big enough population base to distribute the drugs they now just import for distribution there.

(U//LES) Over the long term, the continued influx of Mexican immigrants to the region and the anticipated growth of their local population may present a challenge to Dominican trafficking groups. The dominance that Dominican traffickers have established on the mid-level distribution of illegal drugs in the Northeast over the past decades has largely coincided with the growth of the Dominican population in the region. However, according to open source reports, Mexicans now account for the fastest growing Hispanic population in certain parts of the Northeast, to include New Jersey and New York. Mexicans now represent the third largest Hispanic group in New York City after Puerto Ricans and Dominicans.145,146 Further, a 2013 study from the City University of New York revealed the Mexican population of the New York metropolitan area grew 6.5 percent annually from 2000 to 2010 and will likely surpass the Puerto Rican and Dominican population as the city’s largest Hispanic group by the 2020’s if similar growth rates continue.147 Dominican traffickers in the Northeast have exhibited adaptability to evolving trends in the region over past decades, first functioning as intermediaries for Colombian TCOs in the 1980s and 1990s and then as primary distributors for illegal drugs supplied to the region by Mexican TCOs. Although Mexican traffickers may threaten their dominance in future decades, Dominican traffickers continue to position themselves to remain a significant element of the regional drug trade regardless of their extent of influence or role​

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3982885/DEA-Document-Redacted.pdf

 

[FollowTheWay]

Your little graph there doesn't show how many crossed the boarder and were not apprehended.
It doesn't show the caravans who are being created by outside forces and financed by others than the people who are part of the caravan.
It doesn't show the drugs and guns that come across the boarder.

Your pathetic little graph just shows one small element of the border crisis and you then tried to paint the whole by it. That misrepresentation by you ( your lie) is called propaganda

How many crossed the border and were not apprehended? Guns mainly flow south from the U.S. to Mexico. Drug transporting is down.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Your own article was from one person’s very biased, intentionally naïve perspective of one report. It was focused entirely on the Northeast (esp. New Jersey), Florida, Puerto Rico, the Bahamas, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Colombia, Venezuela, as if there are no Mexican cartels, as if no drugs go anywhere else in the USA.

Trump’s comments related specifically to the US-Mexican border and what comes across there. There was no claim that all drugs enter by crossing that border. And there is no proof offered in the article. That's because the author had none.

The article sited a DEA report. Do you consider that to be fake news?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The article sited a DEA report. Do you consider that to be fake news?

You post an article citing a DEA report that’s only tangentially related to the issue, yet you buy into the author’s pretense that it somehow disproves the dire situation along the southern border.

Then you treat as fake news direct evidence at the border, because of who is there onsite recording in real-time. This presents an impossible wall of bias to penetrate with truth.

This doesn’t mean you lack critical thinking skills, but rather that they are of no use, if authority means namedropping is enough. That’s how atheists typically operate, claiming authority in metaphysics based on their physics.

Consider a cult leader quoting the Bible. Are we supposed to believe him as he energetically eisegetes? In the wilderness temptation, the Devil quoted Scripture, but truth misapplied creates a lie. Jesus sets the example. Follow The Way.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The article sited a DEA report. Do you consider that to be fake news?

Let’s take a look at what the more relevant October 2018 DEA report says. Here are a couple of excerpts:

Heroin: Heroin use and availability continue to increase in the United States. The occurrence of heroin mixed with fentanyl is also increasing. Mexico remains the primary source of heroin available in the United States according to all available sources of intelligence, including law enforcement investigations and scientific data. Further, significant increases in opium poppy cultivation and heroin production in Mexico allow Mexican TCOs to supply high-purity, low-cost heroin, even as U.S. demand has continued to increase.

Methamphetamine: Methamphetamine remains prevalent and widely available, with most of the methamphetamine available in the United States being produced in Mexico and smuggled across the Southwest Border (SWB). Domestic production occurs at much lower levels than in Mexico, and seizures of domestic methamphetamine laboratories have declined steadily for many years.​

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18 2018 NDTA final low resolution.pdf​

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The article sited a DEA report. Do you consider that to be fake news?

And here are a couple of more relevant excerpts from that same DEA report:

Mexican Transnational Criminal Organizations (TCOs): Mexican TCOs remain the greatest criminal drug threat to the United States; no other group is currently positioned to challenge them. The Sinaloa Cartel maintains the most expansive footprint in the United States, while Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generacion’s (CJNG) domestic presence has significantly expanded in the past few years. Although 2017 drug-related murders in Mexico surpassed previous levels of violence, U.S.-based Mexican TCO members generally refrain from extending inter-cartel conflicts domestically.

Gangs: National and neighborhood-based street gangs and prison gangs continue to dominate the market for the street-sales and distribution of illicit drugs in their respective territories throughout the country. Struggle for control of these lucrative drug trafficking territories continues to be the largest factor fueling the street-gang violence facing local communities. Meanwhile, some street gangs are working in conjunction with rival gangs in order to increase their drug revenues, while individual members of assorted street gangs have profited by forming relationships with friends and family associated with Mexican cartels.

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18 2018 NDTA final low resolution.pdf

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