A Mexican to Build the Wall

[FollowTheWay]

You post an article citing a DEA report that’s only tangentially related to the issue, yet you buy into the author’s pretense that it somehow disproves the dire situation along the southern border.

Then you treat as fake news direct evidence at the border, because of who is there onsite recording in real-time. This presents an impossible wall of bias to penetrate with truth.

This doesn’t mean you lack critical thinking skills, but rather that they are of no use, if authority means namedropping is enough. That’s how atheists typically operate, claiming authority in metaphysics based on their physics.

Consider a cult leader quoting the Bible. Are we supposed to believe him as he energetically eisegetes? In the wilderness temptation, the Devil quoted Scripture, but truth misapplied creates a lie. Jesus sets the example. Follow The Way.

I thought the topic was about the need for a wall at our SW border. You claim that he level of arrests at the border is not a significant point wrt the need for extending the wall and especially declaring a national energy to do so against the will of the Congress. It's not a perfect indicator because some made it through illegally. It's better than any other one I can think of including the perspective of a handful of agents at one place on the border.

 

[FollowTheWay]

And here are a couple of more relevant excerpts from that same DEA report:

Mexican Transnational Criminal Organizations (TCOs): Mexican TCOs remain the greatest criminal drug threat to the United States; no other group is currently positioned to challenge them. The Sinaloa Cartel maintains the most expansive footprint in the United States, while Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generacion’s (CJNG) domestic presence has significantly expanded in the past few years. Although 2017 drug-related murders in Mexico surpassed previous levels of violence, U.S.-based Mexican TCO members generally refrain from extending inter-cartel conflicts domestically.

Gangs: National and neighborhood-based street gangs and prison gangs continue to dominate the market for the street-sales and distribution of illicit drugs in their respective territories throughout the country. Struggle for control of these lucrative drug trafficking territories continues to be the largest factor fueling the street-gang violence facing local communities. Meanwhile, some street gangs are working in conjunction with rival gangs in order to increase their drug revenues, while individual members of assorted street gangs have profited by forming relationships with friends and family associated with Mexican cartels.

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18 2018 NDTA final low resolution.pdf

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I don't deny that illicit drugs such as heroin and cocaine represent a danger to the health and safety of Americans. As I showed previously, most of these are smuggled through border entry points not through outlying areas where the existing 650 miles of border wall would be extended. But as we agreed previously, dangers need to be prioritized. This graphic from the report you posted shows that the major source of concern should be opiods illegally prescribed or obtained within the U.S.



It's obvious to me that we need to act to reduce the amount of opiods used in the U.S. and to ensure they are used safely as prescribed by a physician acting legally.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I don't deny that illicit drugs such as heroin and cocaine represent a danger to the health and safety of Americans. As I showed previously, most of these are smuggled through border entry points not through outlying areas where the existing 650 miles of border wall would be extended. But as we agreed previously, dangers need to be prioritized. This graphic from the report you posted shows that the major source of concern should be opiods illegally prescribed or obtained within the U.S.

It's obvious to me that we need to act to reduce the amount of opiods used in the U.S. and to ensure they are used safely as prescribed by a physician acting legally.

Sorry, but no. The article you posted was too heavily skewed against Trump and the truth. You should have known better. Don’t try to come back now and pretend otherwise. If you knew it was so skewed, then why would you spread the misinformation? Speak to the real DEA report.

Drugs are coming in across the southern border from Mexico bigtime. You tried to make it sound otherwise. You cannot know where all they are coming across. Anyone that claims he does is either lying or in on it. The point was that more border wall will undoubtedly help with that as it will help with stopping illegals.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Sorry, but no. The article you posted was too heavily skewed against Trump and the truth. You should have known better. Don’t try to come back now and pretend otherwise. If you knew it was so skewed, then why would you spread the misinformation? Speak to the real DEA report.

Drugs are coming in across the southern border from Mexico bigtime. You tried to make it sound otherwise. You cannot know where all they are coming across. Anyone that claims he does is either lying or in on it. The point was that more border wall will undoubtedly help with that as it will help with stopping illegals.

The information in the article I posted came from the biggest drug bust in recent times, the arrest and conviction of El Chappo. The methods he used were brought out in his trial. It is supported by DEA data. Your statement is merely a guess based on your obvious bias. The chart showing the relative danger of opiods versus hard illicit drugs came from the DEA Report you posted. Why do you find it necessary to misrepresent the real facts?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I thought the topic was about the need for a wall at our SW border. You claim that he level of arrests at the border is not a significant point wrt the need for extending the wall and especially declaring a national energy to do so against the will of the Congress. It's not a perfect indicator because some made it through illegally. It's better than any other one I can think of including the perspective of a handful of agents at one place on the border.

Your discussion tactics strongly remind me of encounters with certain door knockers. They are off the wall, all over the place, and with no real aim, except to distract from the issue. No matter how well you counter them, they try to jump to another point just to keep from admitting it.

However, here you cleverly avoided admitting what you’ve done by actually trying to go back to the main issue, as though I am the one who went wide. Good one. But you still have a lot to answer for.

Although it’s hard to tell what you are saying throughout, yes the issue is about whether we have a huge problem with illegals getting into the country across the southern border with Mexico. We now have tens of millions of them giving birth to anchor babies, stealing us blind, hurting the economy, etc., so there is no doubt that we have such a huge problem. From there it is a matter of whether the president has the authority to finally declare this huge problem a national emergency and decide that building more and better wall would help address that.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The information in the article I posted came from the biggest drug bust in recent times, the arrest and conviction of El Chappo. The methods he used were brought out in his trial. It is supported by DEA data. Your statement is merely a guess based on your obvious bias. The chart showing the relative danger of opiods versus hard illicit drugs came from the DEA Report you posted. Why do you find it necessary to misrepresent the real facts?

Again, you want to distract from the issue. The wall is not strictly to stem the flow of illegal drugs. The wall is not even mainly to stem the flow of illegal drugs. Illegal drug flow is not the only problem the wall would help reduce. Illegal drugs are not the only problem in the nation. No one ever suggested otherwise, except those who are trying to misrepresent Trump just so they can call him a liar. Don’t be on the side of such deceivers. Don’t believe such deceivers.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Your discussion tactics strongly remind me of encounters with certain door knockers. They are off the wall, all over the place, and with no real aim, except to distract from the issue. No matter how well you counter them, they try to jump to another point just to keep from admitting it.

However, here you cleverly avoided admitting what you’ve done by actually trying to go back to the main issue, as though I am the one who went wide. Good one. But you still have a lot to answer for.

Although it’s hard to tell what you are saying throughout, yes the issue is about whether we have a huge problem with illegals getting into the country across the southern border with Mexico. We now have tens of millions of them giving birth to anchor babies, stealing us blind, hurting the economy, etc., so there is no doubt that we have such a huge problem. From there it is a matter of whether the president has the authority to finally declare this huge problem a national emergency and decide that building more and better wall would help address that.

I agree we have a border problem. I am arguing we have other problems that are more urgent. These include cyber-security and the domestic opiod crisis.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Again, you want to distract from the issue. The wall is not strictly to stem the flow of illegal drugs. The wall is not even mainly to stem the flow of illegal drugs. Illegal drug flow is not the only problem the wall would help reduce. Illegal drugs are not the only problem in the nation. No one ever suggested otherwise, except those who are trying to misrepresent Trump just so they can call him a liar. Don’t be on the side of such deceivers. Don’t believe such deceivers.

My post #24 shows the current problem of illegals crossing the SW border in perspective with the problem in the past. The top U.S. general in charge of Homeland Security testified that the border is not a military threat and a bipartisan letter from the U.S. Armed Services Committee to the Pentagon demanded an explanation why money should be taken from the military to fund a wall.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

You no doubt meant post #25. This has been explained ad infinitum, but you are not open to explanation.

The number of apprehensions reveals only failed attempts to enter illegally. It does not reveal the number of illegal entry attempts nor the number of illegal entry successes.

Estimates of illegal aliens actually in the country are in the tens of millions. This alone is a national emergency that is only getting worse. They ALL need to be deported ASAP, with no access back in. A wall would greatly help deal with all of that.

Illegals attempt to enter in numbers that can overwhelm Border Patrol. A wall would greatly help deal with that.

Illegals attempt to enter where there is no wall. A wall would greatly help deal with that.

Walls work. Not by themselves, but walls do work. They are not a cure-all, but walls do work.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

As for the military, some evidently must think it is not their mission or concern to secure our borders from hostile invaders. Hopefully, the commander-in-chief will set them straight and demand they stay straight.

Otherwise, the next thing you know, they will demand that military bases in the country be closed. After all, if their presence on the border is never needed, then it could hardly be needed within the country.