A moment of silence for the first amendment

[Adonia]

Trump spoke at 6:43 pm. Clearing the protesters happened at around 6:30.

Oh good. That means the police wanted the "protestors" to be safely inside by 7 pm which is the designated curfew time.

 

[Adonia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrMoqSPZym0

Warning : unfiltered video from Reuters.

Police movement starts at 28 minutes, no warnings can be heard but the protests are loud so possible it was not heard. Some footage on people’s response to the gas. It may have been smoke only but clearly irritating eyes.

Too bad, people know perfectly well what could happen when they attend these type of events. They have placed themselves in a place of danger, the responsibility for possible injury lies with them.

Now, how do you feel that this historic church was burned? They also desecrated St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York and the WW2 Memorial in Washington D.C. Those were shameful acts that have no place in a legitimate protest for the redress of grievances as allowed under the U.S. Constitution. "Peaceful" protest is allowed, not destruction or desecration of property.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Now, how do you feel that this historic church was burned? They also desecrated St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York and the WW2 Memorial in Washington D.C. Those were shameful acts that have no place in a legitimate protest for the redress of grievances as allowed under the U.S. Constitution.

Agreed that has no place in protest. Looters and those destroying property taking advantage of the chaos should be ashamed and arrested and should not be confused with legitimate peaceful protestors like the ones yesterday in Lafayette Park. The burning of St. John’s happened in the nights before the protest being discussed in this thread.

 

[Wingman68]

Polly has some theories about the looting & destruction. Worth a look.

 

[church mouse guy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrMoqSPZym0

Warning : unfiltered video from Reuters.

Police movement starts at 28 minutes, no warnings can be heard but the protests are loud so possible it was not heard. Some footage on people’s response to the gas. It may have been smoke only but clearly irritating eyes.

 

[timtofly]

There are quite a few people who want silence and anarchy.

Pro-choice do not want babies crying. No population equals anarchy, cause no people, no government.

Pro-humanist do not want God or religion. No God, nothing exist, silence. No religion or control just anarchy.

Pro-satan. Only Satan and a chosen few, without the sound of a thriving creation, just silence and anarchy.

 

[canadyjd]

Agreed that has no place in protest. Looters and those destroying property taking advantage of the chaos should be ashamed and arrested and should not be confused with legitimate peaceful protestors like the ones yesterday in Lafayette Park. The burning of St. John’s happened in the nights before the protest being discussed in this thread.

The Park Police say the protestors were not peaceful. They were throwing things at police just prior to smoke canisters being used. The movement against the protestors was independent of the President’s walk. Please consider all the facts before denouncing our President.

peace to you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

 

[Benjamin]

Some footage on people’s response to the gas.

Umm, those cops didn't ride horses or without masks through tear gas.

It may have been smoke only but clearly irritating eyes.

Give me a break with that snowflake irritating the eyes nonsense...LOL

 

[Gold Dragon]

Umm, those cops didn't ride horses or without masks through tear gas.

Give me a break with that snowflake irritating the eyes nonsense...LOL

I was agreeing with you that it is likely smoke and not tear gas. It is easy to see how it was misreported as tear gas seeing how people physically responded.

I don’t see how smoke makes anything that happened ok. Firing on peaceful protesters, assaulting the press, using force to take over a church site without permission all for a photo op.

 

[timtofly]

So any President with a Bible in hand is a photo op?

Biden praying in church is as much a photo op, or neither were.

Perhaps all journalist and media should forgo their rights and stop taking photo ops? Staying out of a crowd and at home would prevent bodily injury for all, no?

I think violent instigators have messed it all up. If it had remained as peaceful and no violence at all, the President would have not supported the freedom of worship and religion in troubled times. That a President stands up with Bible in a public forum, and declares he would protect all peaceful rights, and it just be passed off as a photo op is missing the importance of what it is to be an American. Yes, the potus is too much like all of US. That is not a bad thing. It is the constitution, "We the people". It goes to show that false prophets and those of Satan, ruin the very ideology, of a nation that can govern itself, and a President who is not ashamed to be one of us. They can only paint a gloom and doom reality, bad just pointing out bad interpretations, instead of seeing any good at all. The potus did not instigate violence. He was willing to point out it can be stopped, and then it just gets trashed by all the ungodly opinions. No I do not think he is a Messiah who can solve all the world's problems. He is the only potus in decades who has tried to change the world, and has not even started a war. Now he is vilified for trying to prevent one. He would have been criticized for not doing anything, if a dozen cities get burned to the ground. Cannot have it both ways people.

 

[Benjamin]

I was agreeing with you that it is likely smoke and not tear gas. It is easy to see how it was misreported as tear gas seeing how people physically responded.

I don’t see how smoke makes anything that happened ok. Firing on peaceful protesters, assaulting the press, using force to take over a church site without permission all for a photo op.

It seems you've unwittingly jumped on a bandwagon of lies. This story has been totally debunked for what it was attempting to fabricate against Trump:
Media Falsely Claimed Violent Riots Were Peaceful And That Tear Gas Was Used Against Rioters

 

[Gold Dragon]

It seems you've unwittingly jumped on a bandwagon of lies. This story has been totally debunked for what it was attempting to fabricate against Trump:
Media Falsely Claimed Violent Riots Were Peaceful And That Tear Gas Was Used Against Rioters

All the video and eye witness evidence says that Monahan’s claims are untrue with the exception that technically, they did not use tear gas but instead used OC gas (pepper spray) cannisters which have very similar properties to tear gas from a natural source. Monahan acknowledges that Pepper Balls were used which is a brand of pepper spray in a paint ball like form.
https://www.pepperball.com/

US Park Police denies using tear gas on peaceful protesters. Evidence suggests otherwise.

Let’s start with Monahan’s claim that the protesters were “violent” because they were throwing projectiles at law enforcement.

According to multiple reporters who were on the ground documenting the events, the protests were entirely peaceful. “We didn’t see projectiles thrown at police. Certainly no bricks or ‘caustic liquids,’” Alexander Marquardt, a CNN reporter who was at Lafayette Square that evening, tweeted on Tuesday.

In fact, in this Reuters video taken of nearly the entire scene, there are no violent instances of what the Park Police statement describes (other than some expletives and insults lobbed at law enforcement).

Washington, DC, Mayor Muriel Bowser also publicly stated that the demonstrators protested peacefully.

It’s unclear, then, what the Park Police is referencing. Perhaps it’s an exaggeration of what an unnamed Justice Department official told the Washington Post on Tuesday: that some crowd members passed rocks among themselves and threw a bottle in the direction of Attorney General Bill Barr. Barr, a top Trump ally, was surveying the scene and reportedly personally ordered law enforcement to push the protesters back.

This is the same Reuters video I posted earlier.

There’s also no direct evidence that protesters were hiding caches of weapons — glass bottles, bats, and metal poles, according to the statement — to use against law enforcement. If there are images showing that such items were indeed found on the site of the demonstration, as the Park Police claim, they haven’t been shared with the public.

Finally, there’s the assertion that Park Police and other law enforcement personnel involved that evening didn’t use tear gas to clear the square.

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“Tear gas” is a broad term, often defined as a synthetic chemical irritant. Pepper spray is a naturally derived chemical irritant that causes many effects similar to that of common types of tear gas, including temporary blindness and a burning sensation in the nose. Which means that, even if tear gas was technically not used — a claim that isn’t settled fact for reasons I’ll get into in a minute — police still used a very similar chemical weapon against peaceful protesters.

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Nathan Baca, a reporter for WUSA9 in Washington, DC, picked up a canister used during the Monday assault. It’s not a smoke canister, but it does launch “OC” gas which “Causes same tears, tight breath and comes out green,” he reported.

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Moreover, Washington Post reporters at the demonstration, including metro reporter Rebecca Tan, photographed National Guard members (though not Park Police officers) wearing gas masks, “moments before authorities started firing.” That certainly suggests they were preparing to deploy tear gas.

 

[Revmitchell]

I was agreeing with you that it is likely smoke and not tear gas. It is easy to see how it was misreported as tear gas seeing how people physically responded.

I don’t see how smoke makes anything that happened ok. Firing on peaceful protesters, assaulting the press, using force to take over a church site without permission all for a photo op.

None of that happened. In your rush to make Trump look bad you posted fake news

 

[Gold Dragon]

Republicans chastise Trump for ousting protesters, church photo-op

"It was painful to watch peaceful protesters be subjected to tear gas in order for the president to go across the street to a church that I believe he’s attended only once," said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine). "I thought that the president came across as unsympathetic and as insensitive to the rights of people to peaceful protest."

“There is a fundamental — a constitutional — right to protest, and I’m against clearing out a peaceful protest for a photo op that treats the Word of God as a political prop,” added Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.), who also decried rioting and looting. “Every public servant in America should be lowering the temperature.”

And Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.) said it was “definitely not” right for peaceful protesters, who were gathered around Lafayette Park in front of the White House, to be sprayed with tear gas. And he criticized the president for walking to St. John’s Episcopal Church right before the 7 p.m. curfew, because “everyone knew there were going to be protesters in that area.”

“Doing what I thought was a really good speech — then that visual, that photo-op distracted from the message he had just given in the Rose Garden,” said Lankford, who led a student minister group before coming to Congress. “I just thought, this visual and this message don’t line up.”

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Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina, the only black Republican senator, was even more direct, saying at a POLITICO event that “if your question is: Should you use tear gas to clear a path so the president can go have a photo-op? The answer is no.”

BREAKING: Arlington Officers Ordered to 'Immediately Leave D.C.'

Arlington County police officers who were assisting U.S. Park Police during protests in D.C. have been ordered “to immediately leave,” County Board Chair Libby Garvey tweeted Monday night.

Officers in ACPD helmets could be seen in photos and video (below) assisting with the forceful removal of protesters from around St. John’s Church, an action that involved the deployment of tear gas. Shortly thereafter, President Trump walked to the church and held up a bible, a move dismissed as a photo opportunity by critics and criticized as “antithetical to the teachings of Jesus” by the Episcopal bishop of Washington.

“Appalled mutual aid agreement abused to endanger their and others safety for a photo op,” Garvey wrote just before 9 p.m., about two hours after the incident. “We ordered @ArlingtonVaPD to immediately leave DC.”

“At the direction of the County Board, County Manager and Police Chief, all ACPD officers left the District of Columbia at 8:30 tonight,” the county subsequently said in a brief statement. “The County is re-evaluating the agreements that allowed our officers to be put in a compromising position that endangered their health and safety, and that of the people around them, for a purpose not worthy of our mutual aid obligations.”

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“It is impossible for us to achieve our mission if we lose the trust of our community,” he wrote. “When force is used, we must hold ourselves accountable for our actions.”

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Notice that there are a lot of white millennials on the street.

 

[Scott Downey]

Orcs come in all sizes and colors. Gnawing biting hacking looting killing. Usurpers all curse them.

 

[Gold Dragon]

As reported by the Arlington police, who were assisting the US Parks Police, of what their orders were.

Arlington’s Decision to Withdraw its Police Officers from the District of Columbia - Newsroom

The County made the decision to withdraw Arlington officers from the operation under the command of the United States Park Police when we realized that our officers had been caught up in a forceful action to remove peaceful protesters more than a half-hour before the curfew imposed by the District was to go into effect.

As has been widely reported, for the sake of a photoshoot for the President, peaceful protesters were forcefully dispersed without being given enough time to comply with orders to move back. Our officers had no idea that the effort to move protesters was for any reason other than to construct a temporary barrier.
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At approximately 6:20 p.m., more than a half-hour before the District’s curfew was to go into effect, demonstrators were ordered to leave the area. Approximately 10 minutes later, our police officers, under the command of the Park Police, were asked to redirect protestors away from the edge of Lafayette Park. It was later learned that the President used this opportunity to walk from the White House across the Park to St. John’s Episcopal Church, where he posed briefly for photographs before returning to the White House.

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But the Manager, the Police Chief and the County Board will be re-evaluating those agreements to ensure that our police officers, of whose efforts to reflect the values of our community we are proud, are never again put in a situation where they are asked to take action that is inconsistent with our values.

 

[KenH]

Usurpers all curse them.

“but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God. From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.” - James‬ ‭3:8-10‬ ‭ESV‬‬

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

ABC (AUS) - Australian journalists assaulted as police clear George Floyd protesters outside White House




ABC (AUS) - Donald Trump criticised by religious leaders after protesters forcefully removed for President's photo opportunity



NPR - Park Police Tear Gas Peaceful Protesters To Clear Way For Trump Church Photo-Op



A sad day for America and all of us in the free world. It is impressive how Trump can so easily make a mockery of the Bible and the US Constitution all in one photo op. Cue the Trump supporters twisting and rationalizing, blaming the "violent" protestors who weren't doing anything violent, the "biased" media from the other side of the world just standing and filming, and the "liberal" church leaders who were forced with tear gas and police in riot gear to vacate their property for the state to use for propaganda purposes without being asked. Blame anyone but the person who wanted the photo op.

I don’t know if you are aware of the Sheriff of Flint Michigan. Well he and his police force did something something different to diffuse the protestors ... see attached.
Michigan Sheriff Took Off His Helmet and Marched With Protesters