A Mystery To Me...

[TCGreek]

Where's the icon for the smiley guy's jaw hitting the ground, then covering his mouth in astonishment. :laugh:

I must be a real thorn in your flesh then. lol I do not presume I am saved without me "doing" something like praying the sinner's prayer, I know I am.

My salvation was secured by God the Father's choice of me, before time began, who gave me to His Son Jesus Christ, who Redeemed me with His precious blood, yet slain before the foundation of the world, and the Holy Spirit in time irresistablly called and drew me, accomplishing the will of God. Some call that Calvinsim. I call it the doctrine of God.

You spoke for me as well. And how is this misinterpreting the data of Scripture? It is everywhere taught.

 

[psalms109:31]

chosen in Him

We are chosen in Him before the foundation of the word.

The way it show which really goes with the rest of the scripture that God wants all men to be saved and come to the knoweledge of Him.

It was Jesus who was chosen before the foundation of the world.

When we believe in Him we become apart of Him and becomming apart of Him we also are chosen before the foundation of the world.

Whosoever believes can be saved, but people lack of faith in the words of Jesus are becomming quite apparent.

 

[skypair]

My salvation was secured by God the Father's choice of me, before time began, who gave me to His Son Jesus Christ, who Redeemed me with His precious blood, yet slain before the foundation of the world, and the Holy Spirit in time irresistablly called and drew me, accomplishing the will of God. Some call that Calvinsim. I call it the doctrine of God.

Well, I haven't had the opportunity to ask you this before -- How do you KNOW He chose you?

skypair

 

[webdog]

We are chosen in Him before the foundation of the word.

The way it show which really goes with the rest of the scripture that God wants all men to be saved and come to the knoweledge of Him.

It was Jesus who was chosen before the foundation of the world.

When we believe in Him we become apart of Him and becomming apart of Him we also are chosen before the foundation of the world.

Whosoever believes can be saved, but people lack of faith in the words of Jesus are becomming quite apparent.

...and this is the way to rightly divide the Word :thumbs:

 

[TCGreek]

We are chosen in Him before the foundation of the word.

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1. What do you mean by "we"?

2. Is the "we" referring to every single human being that has ever lived and will ever live? If so, what does it mean that "we" are chosen in Him before the foundation of the world?

3. What is this choosing?

 

[webdog]

I'm assuming "we" are those in Christ. Believers.

 

[TCGreek]

I'm assuming "we" are those in Christ. Believers.

1. That's a possibility, but I don't know if that is what he is saying.

2. He might be building something from saying "we" refers to every human being that has ever lived or will ever live.

 

[webdog]

From reading his posts on here, he's not a universalist.

 

[TCGreek]

From reading his posts on here, he's not a universalist.

I really don't think he is, but he might be taking an unusual approach with this idea of "we" being chosen in Christ.

 

[webdog]

I don't think it's unusual at all. Christ is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. If we are in Christ, we too are chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.

 

[TCGreek]

I don't think it's unusual at all. Christ is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. If we are in Christ, we too are chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.

You are coming off as a Calvinist at this point. :thumbs:

 

[webdog]

You are coming off as a Calvinist at this point. :thumbs:

:laugh: There is one tiny three letter word that separates us...how.

 

[TCGreek]

:laugh: There is one tiny three letter word that separates us...how.

1. I was chatting with an Arminian fellow pastor of mine yesterday, and he sounded like a Calvinist, yes, until he got to the HOW.

2. Now, he's saying, He's between an Arminian and a Calvinist. Just now, he'll say, I am a convinced Calvinist. But not that his salvation was ever in question.

 

[psalms109:31]

We

Not every human is chosen in Christ only believers in His Son.

We are saved by grace through faith.

Faith that is given to us by God through His word, but just like the young rich ruler we can walk away from this faith and so doing this, His grace.

 

[Rippon]

Faith that is given by the Lord cannot be revoked .

 

[psalms109:31]

walk away

If you walk away you never received it.

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

 

[Rippon]

Hey Mr. Ps. Yeah , it's true that "they really didn't belong to to us." That passage from 1 John 2:19 is an important one as is John 6:66 : "From that time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him ." ( NIV ) . Faith was never given by the Lord to the folks in both passages .

 

[psalms109:31]

Truth

Many today are following the crowd and never was drawn by the Father.

When they hear the truth that we have to eat of His flesh and drink of His blood.

That if we do disown Jesus He will disown us.

They walk away from that truth and go on believing what they want to believe.

So many just can't handle the whole truth

 

[Bro. Williams]

Hey Mr. Ps. Yeah , it's true that "they really didn't belong to to us." That passage from 1 John 2:19 is an important one as is John 6:66 : "From that time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him ." ( NIV ) . Faith was never given by the Lord to the folks in both passages .

Along that same line of thought then... Was Judas given faith?

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Along that same line of thought then... Was Judas given faith?

No. Judas was the son of perdition, ordained of God as a vessel of dishonor fitted for destruction.

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Perdition here meaning utter destruction, as of vessels. (Thayer's Lexicon)

Romans 9:21-22
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:


Jude 1:3-4
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.