A Mystery To Me...

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known

John 6:64
Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.

We all are in vessels created for destruction accept Jesus who vessel that was made for honor. It is pretty arrogant for any man to say thier vessel was created for honor. Only in Jesus Christ we are given a Spiritual body that is created for honor.

Through Him we become a new creation the old will be gone and the new will come in.

We all are good for nothing but the fire, only Jesus can save us from it. Who can save me from this body of death praise be to Jesus.

Trust in Jesus and God promisses you, you will not be disappointed.

 

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Picking up the cross

Picking up the cross and following Jesus has nothing to do with working for our salvation, but everything to do with trust.

 

[Rippon]

Ps. , please familiarize yourself with the Bible . Romans 9:22,23 indicate that the human race is divided among the objects of His wrath -- prepared for destruction and the objects of His mercy whom He prepared in advance for glory .

An elect individual is a Christian . Christians know they are born of God , they have the assurance of salvation . Christians have examined themselves and made their calling and election sure . They know and take comfort in the golden chain of salvation outlined in Romans 8:29,30 . So contrary to being arrogant , it is in conformity to Scripture and quite appropriate for a Christian to say :" I was prepared in advance for glory due to His mercy . For surely my sins would have condemned me if not for the intervention of the Lamb of God ."

 

[webdog]

An elect individual is a Christian

Is "elect" ever mentioned in the Bible as being an individual?

 

[TCGreek]

Is "elect" ever mentioned in the Bible as being an individual?

Paul is referred to as an elect vessel in Acts 6:15, where "elect/chosen" is the Greek word ekloge. I hope that answers your question.

 

[Rippon]

2 John 1:1 "the elect lady"

2 John 1:13 "your elect sister"

 

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elected in Christ

Being elected in Christ a believers is an elect of God.

Jesus tells us that a believer shall (not might or maybe) but shall not be condemned but have eternal life.

Just trust in Jesus not your own understanding and He will direct your path.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Being elected in Christ a believers is an elect of God.

Jesus tells us that a believer shall (not might or maybe) but shall not be condemned but have eternal life.

Just trust in Jesus not your own understanding and He will direct your path.

Now your preaching our "calvinism" ! Hallelujah. Indeed, a believer SHALL not be condemned. Also, all whom the Father has given the Son (election) SHALL come..not might or maybe, (effectual calling), and he who comes (repentance and faith) Jesus SHALL (not might or maybe) in no wise cast out (redemption and perserverance of the saints).

Soli Deo Gloria

 

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Whosoever

Now if we get to the point that whosoever of the world can come through the preaching of the words of Jesus then we have unity.

Anybody can come and that is the good news of the gospel.

That God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[TCGreek]

Now if we get to the point that whosoever of the world can come through the preaching of the words of Jesus then we have unity.

Anybody can come and that is the good news of the gospel.

Do not let John 6:35-37, 44, 45, 65 be lost upon you. As outlined by Reformedbaptist, only the elect will truly come to Christ for salvation.

 

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concidered them

We cannot be come unless we are drawn by the Father.

That is where the preaching of the words of Jesus comes in.

His words are the Fathers and that is how He draws us.

Jesus words are Spirit and life and through His words whosoever can come.

God does want all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, and it is through this.

Romans 10:8But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

The Jews are the chosen of God. They were not cut for not being chosen, but for unbelief, as the scripture say's

Romans 11:17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

Hebrews 3:
Warning Against Unbelief
7So, as the Holy Spirit says:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
8do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion,
during the time of testing in the desert,
9where your fathers tested and tried me
and for forty years saw what I did.
10That is why I was angry with that generation,
and I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray,
and they have not known my ways.'
11So I declared on oath in my anger,
'They shall never enter my rest.' "

12See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. 14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. 15As has just been said:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion."

16Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert? 18And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed[Or disbelieved]? 19So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

Jude 1: 5Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[Some early manuscripts Jesus] delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Now if we get to the point that whosoever of the world can come through the preaching of the words of Jesus then we have unity.

Anybody can come and that is the good news of the gospel.

That God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

This conclusion, as you state it, cannot be drawn. Jesus already declared infallibily the inability of man of to come to Him. Then what does our Lord mean by whosever? Not Jews only, but also the Gentiles. He means every kind of man, rich, poor, slave, free, barbarian, refined, upper-class, lower-class, male, female, Jew or Gentile. God wants all His elect to be saved and not perish. When you say, "That God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth" you have misused the Scripture. Let the Scripture define its own scope and extent.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

We cannot be come unless we are drawn by the Father.

That is where the preaching of the words of Jesus comes in.

His words are the Fathers and that is how He draws us.

Jesus words are Spirit and life and through His words whosoever can come.

God does want all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, and it is through this.

Consider what you are saying here! God wants all men to be saved. You are telling us that this is the will of the Father. Yet we know all men won't be saved. Are you so bold as to say that man may frustrated the express will of God the Father?


The Jews are the chosen of God. They were not cut for not being chosen, but for unbelief, as the scripture say's

You must make a disctinction here between Old Covenant and New. Even among national Israel there was a remant.

 

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Putting limitations

Whosever is whosoever, you cannot change the words of Jesus to your own understanding.

Eve didn't believe God either. He said you shall surely die and we have been dying ever since. Only Jesus can save us from this body of death.

Just believe God that whosoever is whosoever and all is all.

 

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read the scripture

You must make a disctinction here between Old Covenant and New. Even among national Israel there was a remant.

Read the new testiment scripture that was posted. If they were cut out for unbelief, then those who believed was never cut out.

 

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meek and humble

Zephaniah 3:12
But I will leave within you the meek and humble, who trust in the name of the LORD.

 

[skypair]

This conclusion, as you state it, cannot be drawn. Jesus already declared infallibily the inability of man of to come to Him. Then what does our Lord mean by whosever? Not Jews only, but also the Gentiles. He means every kind of man, rich, poor, slave, free, barbarian, refined, upper-class, lower-class, male, female, Jew or Gentile. God wants all His elect to be saved and not perish. When you say, "That God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth" you have misused the Scripture. Let the Scripture define its own scope and extent.

Too bad you weren't here when we went over this "A MILLION TIMES!!"

Jesus always speaks infallibily -- the problem is that you don't interpret infallibly.

"Cannot come" is NOT a limitation on man's ability. The verse clearly has a "qualifier" -- "UNLESS..." And if God in Christ "draws" ALL men (re: "... and if I be lifted up, I will draw ALL men..."), then "whosoever will" -- of his own will -- may come.

And scripture doesn't stipulate "God wants all but only His "elect" to be saved. That, too, is fallible interpretation.

I realize this doesn't fit into your Calvinist paradigm but that is what scripture says.

skypair

 

[skypair]

Ps. , please familiarize yourself with the Bible . Romans 9:22,23 indicate that the human race is divided among the objects of His wrath -- prepared for destruction and the objects of His mercy whom He prepared in advance for glory.

Hey rip! See you're still "rippin'" --- scripture that is! :laugh:

What you say is true -- and then misapplied (not even bothering to cite the verse that would have rebutted your own argument, Rom 9:24!). The passage is speaking of OT Israel as "vessels of wrath" under the new dispensation and the church as "vessels of mercy," which He did predestinate/elect for the PURPOSES/ministry/election of his kingdom.

An elect individual is a Christian.

Or OT saint.

Christians know they are born of God , they have the assurance of salvation. Christians have examined themselves and made their calling and election sure.

Go to the state prison and ask any prisoner if he/she is a "good person." That's what self-proclaimed assurance is worth??!! How about getting a REAL testimony. How about "I repented of my life and received Christ as Lord and Savior in April, 1962." How about "I have examined my life and have found no good thing in it except a Spirit-led but sometimes halting growth in "the knowledge and faith of Christ" Eph 4:13

They know and take comfort in the golden chain of salvation outlined in Romans 8:29,30.

Which says that God FOREKNEW those who would receive Christ and He predestined their lives to growth and ministry which is called their "election."

So contrary to being arrogant , it is in conformity to Scripture and quite appropriate for a Christian to say :" I was prepared in advance for glory due to His mercy . For surely my sins would have condemned me if not for the intervention of the Lamb of God ."

I would merely repeat that if a prisoner had "assured" himself that he was a "good man" but wasn't, what should we do with his testimony?

skypair

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Too bad you weren't here when we went over this "A MILLION TIMES!!"

Jesus always speaks infallibily -- the problem is that you don't interpret infallibly.

"Cannot come" is NOT a limitation on man's ability. The verse clearly has a "qualifier" -- "UNLESS..." And if God in Christ "draws" ALL men (re: "... and if I be lifted up, I will draw ALL men..."), then "whosoever will" -- of his own will -- may come.

And scripture doesn't stipulate "God wants all but only His "elect" to be saved. That, too, is fallible interpretation.

I realize this doesn't fit into your Calvinist paradigm but that is what scripture says.

skypair

This is easily refuted, but I will not waste my energy here. Your an avowed anti-calvinist which is silly.

Dusts of feet.