A New Baptist Covenant?

I thought of that but knowing how many say Lord Lord, I was sure they wouldn't be recognizable by that, but by all the issues Christianity confronts from these folks daily. It is by their works we will know them.

 

Their own TV Preacher show on TBN?

"It's time for the Jimmy and Billy show!!"

 

You may be hard-pressed to find someone more pro-life than I am, but this cannot be the core issue...not if the religion is Christianity.

Someone can be pro-life and still go to hell...because they never knew Jesus.

Be very careful. We have way too many "core" issues. The Church of Jesus Christ is built on the profession that He is Lord.

 

I agree. The "core " issue is the cross.

 

I'll agree with you on this, but we can't depend on their declarations of faith, but on the political actions they take. And that is their intent, not serving the Lord. This is strictly a political ploy in my view.

 

Since when did you become the final judge of someones repentance?

If you read his latest book, he says no such thing, he says that in spite of the conflict the Palestinians should be treated humanly and not unjustly harassed just because they are not Jews! Then goes about documenting such abuses. Now you may not agree with President Carters assessment, but it is no where even close to the nonsense you are talking about in reference to Israel.

 

How could you possibly know what their intent is? Why is it so difficult to take them at their word that they want to be apart of a different national Baptist voice?

Is it because Clinton lied in the past? Because he had an affair with another woman? Well welcome to the human race President Clinton! He has admitted those mistakes asked for forgiveness and is trying to move on. None of us are perfect, we all need forgiveness, even the President.

How about Bush, when is going to admit his mistakes, when is he going to tell us he lied?

You start painting with that brush and it gets awful messy in a hurry!

 

We both have judged Clinton. You have without any clear evidence judged that he has repented. I have with clear and convincing evidence judged that he has not repented.

He does not have to say anything. The arabs hate Israel being anywhere in the area. They are the ones blowing up buses, cars and buildings. The sufferings of palestinians is a result of their attacks on Israel. Israel is only defending themsleves. To only show the palestinian propoganda is to support their terrorism. The harrassment is done to the Jews not to the Palestinians. To say otherwise is propoganda from terrorists.

 

Accusing our President of lying must be done with equivalent accusations of all the rest of the world of telling the same lie. Boy! How messy will that get.

 

And if you are going to be consistent with you unscriptual view of what it meanns to judge then you should refain from your rhetoric about President Bush. Just forgive him for your misperception about his having lied.

 

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Well both of you sorta got my point. Which is that we don't know from such a far off distance when someone has truly repented and when they are being sincere. You say Clinton is a liar, not worthy of your forgiveness (not biblical btw); I say he has repented because that is what has been reported. Neither of us really know for sure. But rather then giving the benefit of the doubt to a brother in Christ (which I guess you also doubt?) you dissect his intent and call it a political ploy.

President Bush is a perfect example, has he made mistakes, you bet, he is human after all, but somehow he is immune from the same criticism as Clinton. Why? He hasn't admitted anything to me, he hasn't come out and begged forgiveness for doing too much of something bad while a younger man (drinking, drugs, ?), why then does he get the benefit of the doubt? Could it be that his politics agree with yours? Why is it OK to hammer away a President Carter and Clinton call them liars and the like, but not President Bush?

 

Like what? "Big Tent" Baptists?

Baptists can't be communists.

I don't know if Bill Clinton ever repented or not. Hope so.

Now, about Carter. He's aligned himself with:

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=252633226827963

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=24745

Answer your question?

 

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He has no reason in the world, civilly or morally to confess, apologize or even acknowledge these things from his younger days. I did much in college I'll never tell a soul of, and I bet you did also. Hammering at these 2 ex Presidents is very valid because their sins, of commission and omission were committed while in charge of this nation and it's people and defense. n Both were despicable examples of leaders. Clinton used to brag about the astro turf in the bed of his El Camino as a sexual encounter facilitator. I don't hold him to any account for that, as I don't GWB for his escapades. Interestingly, President Bush repented of the sins of his youth, while Clinton magnified his, resulting in an enormous injury to America's youth.

 

IMHO, President Clinton's promiscuous and perverted life has done more harm to America than anyone in history, save Masters and Johnson. And I include Hefner and Flint, both pikers by comparison.

 

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