A New Baptist Covenant?

[hillclimber1]

Interesting religion, but nothing to do with Christianity. A Hindu or Buddhist can have that value.

The core issue in Christianity is "what do you do with Jesus"?

I thought of that but knowing how many say Lord Lord, I was sure they wouldn't be recognizable by that, but by all the issues Christianity confronts from these folks daily. It is by their works we will know them.

 

[SBCPreacher]

Two quacky ex-presidents . . .

What is next?

Their own TV Preacher show on TBN?

"It's time for the Jimmy and Billy show!!"

 

[Lagardo]

I mean no offense but any religion that espouses the viewpoints of these two, will be evil to the core. To me the core issue in religion, is how do you treat the unborn.

You may be hard-pressed to find someone more pro-life than I am, but this cannot be the core issue...not if the religion is Christianity.

Someone can be pro-life and still go to hell...because they never knew Jesus.

Be very careful. We have way too many "core" issues. The Church of Jesus Christ is built on the profession that He is Lord.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

You may be hard-pressed to find someone more pro-life than I am, but this cannot be the core issue...not if the religion is Christianity.

Someone can be pro-life and still go to hell...because they never knew Jesus.

Be very careful. We have way too many "core" issues. The Church of Jesus Christ is built on the profession that He is Lord.

I agree. The "core " issue is the cross.

 

[hillclimber1]

You may be hard-pressed to find someone more pro-life than I am, but this cannot be the core issue...not if the religion is Christianity.

Someone can be pro-life and still go to hell...because they never knew Jesus.

Be very careful. We have way too many "core" issues. The Church of Jesus Christ is built on the profession that He is Lord.

I'll agree with you on this, but we can't depend on their declarations of faith, but on the political actions they take. And that is their intent, not serving the Lord. This is strictly a political ploy in my view.

 

[go2church]

Clinton said what he did with Miss Lewinsky was "inapropriate".

Picking your nose at your wedding is "inapropriate". He hasnt repented to my knowledge. Clinton has no real values and he has no credibility. Since when does Clinton stand in the background? Yet in this case he does so in every public appearance with Carter. It appears he realizes that he has no credibility.

Carter has never said to my knowledge that he wants Israel run into the sea. But he supports those who have said so. It doesnt matter how much land Israel gives up it will never be enough and they will always war with Israel. Just talk to them on the street in America. They are very bold about this. Arabs in America are not shy about their disdain for Israels existance in that region period.

Since when did you become the final judge of someones repentance?

If you read his latest book, he says no such thing, he says that in spite of the conflict the Palestinians should be treated humanly and not unjustly harassed just because they are not Jews! Then goes about documenting such abuses. Now you may not agree with President Carters assessment, but it is no where even close to the nonsense you are talking about in reference to Israel.

 

[go2church]

I'll agree with you on this, but we can't depend on their declarations of faith, but on the political actions they take. And that is their intent, not serving the Lord. This is strictly a political ploy in my view.

How could you possibly know what their intent is? Why is it so difficult to take them at their word that they want to be apart of a different national Baptist voice?

Is it because Clinton lied in the past? Because he had an affair with another woman? Well welcome to the human race President Clinton! He has admitted those mistakes asked for forgiveness and is trying to move on. None of us are perfect, we all need forgiveness, even the President.

How about Bush, when is going to admit his mistakes, when is he going to tell us he lied?

You start painting with that brush and it gets awful messy in a hurry!

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Since when did you become the final judge of someones repentance?

We both have judged Clinton. You have without any clear evidence judged that he has repented. I have with clear and convincing evidence judged that he has not repented.

If you read his latest book, he says no such thing, he says that in spite of the conflict the Palestinians should be treated humanly and not unjustly harassed just because they are not Jews! Then goes about documenting such abuses. Now you may not agree with President Carters assessment, but it is no where even close to the nonsense you are talking about in reference to Israel.

He does not have to say anything. The arabs hate Israel being anywhere in the area. They are the ones blowing up buses, cars and buildings. The sufferings of palestinians is a result of their attacks on Israel. Israel is only defending themsleves. To only show the palestinian propoganda is to support their terrorism. The harrassment is done to the Jews not to the Palestinians. To say otherwise is propoganda from terrorists.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

How could you possibly know what their intent is? Why is it so difficult to take them at their word that they want to be apart of a different national Baptist voice?

Is it because Clinton lied in the past? Because he had an affair with another woman? Well welcome to the human race President Clinton! He has admitted those mistakes asked for forgiveness and is trying to move on. None of us are perfect, we all need forgiveness, even the President.

How about Bush, when is going to admit his mistakes, when is he going to tell us he lied?

You start painting with that brush and it gets awful messy in a hurry!

Accusing our President of lying must be done with equivalent accusations of all the rest of the world of telling the same lie. Boy! How messy will that get.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

And if you are going to be consistent with you unscriptual view of what it meanns to judge then you should refain from your rhetoric about President Bush. Just forgive him for your misperception about his having lied.

 

[hillclimber1]

How could you possibly know what their intent is? Why is it so difficult to take them at their word that they want to be apart of a different national Baptist voice?

There are only about 2856 different Baptist groups now. Aren't any of them liberal enough?

Is it because Clinton lied in the past?

Yes, while pointing his finger at me through the TV, in a solemn vow like manner. I swear to you with all my sincerity and integrity.

Because he had an affair with another woman? Well welcome to the human race President Clinton! He has admitted those mistakes asked for forgiveness and is trying to move on.

I do not recall an apology.

None of us are perfect, we all need forgiveness, even the President.

Most certainly, and the Lord is readily available. He most certainly hasn't earned my forgiveness.

How about Bush, when is going to admit his mistakes, when is he going to tell us he lied?

I know of not a single lie from GWB, and neither do you. all you know are the talking points and mantra from the left.

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[go2church]

Well both of you sorta got my point. Which is that we don't know from such a far off distance when someone has truly repented and when they are being sincere. You say Clinton is a liar, not worthy of your forgiveness (not biblical btw); I say he has repented because that is what has been reported. Neither of us really know for sure. But rather then giving the benefit of the doubt to a brother in Christ (which I guess you also doubt?) you dissect his intent and call it a political ploy.

President Bush is a perfect example, has he made mistakes, you bet, he is human after all, but somehow he is immune from the same criticism as Clinton. Why? He hasn't admitted anything to me, he hasn't come out and begged forgiveness for doing too much of something bad while a younger man (drinking, drugs, ?), why then does he get the benefit of the doubt? Could it be that his politics agree with yours? Why is it OK to hammer away a President Carter and Clinton call them liars and the like, but not President Bush?

 

[777]

Carter doesn't want Israel driven to the sea that is an overstatement and gross simplification of his position, Clinton has repented of his sin, not unlike King David. There isn't a "right" way to be a Baptist, we are a diverse group with many opinions and differences.

Like what? "Big Tent" Baptists?

Baptists can't be communists.

I don't know if Bill Clinton ever repented or not. Hope so.

Now, about Carter. He's aligned himself with:

The ex-president's irritating opinions on Mideast matters are one thing. But the funding of his Atlanta think tank by big-money, state-linked Arab sources is quite another — and points to a conflict of interest.

According to the Carter Center Web site's 2004-05 annual report — the most recent available — the center has received "in excess of $1 million" from characters like Prince Al-Walid bin Talal.

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=252633226827963

Morris H. Chapman, president of the Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, said that Carter’s concerns about negative perceptions of Baptists ring hollow.

“He has been one of the most vocal critics of Southern Baptists, using ‘fundamentalist’ as a pejorative and drawing a caustic comparison between Ayatollah Khomeini’s rise to power in Iran and the resurgence of conservative leadership being elected in the SBC,” Chapman wrote to Baptist Press.

Chapman also disputed Carter’s and Clinton’s notion about a negative perception of Baptists.

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=24745

Answer your question?

 

[LadyEagle]

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[hillclimber1]

Well both of you sorta got my point. Which is that we don't know from such a far off distance when someone has truly repented and when they are being sincere. You say Clinton is a liar, not worthy of your forgiveness (not biblical btw); I say he has repented because that is what has been reported. Neither of us really know for sure. But rather then giving the benefit of the doubt to a brother in Christ (which I guess you also doubt?) you dissect his intent and call it a political ploy.

President Bush is a perfect example, has he made mistakes, you bet, he is human after all, but somehow he is immune from the same criticism as Clinton. Why? He hasn't admitted anything to me, he hasn't come out and begged forgiveness for doing too much of something bad while a younger man (drinking, drugs, ?), why then does he get the benefit of the doubt? Could it be that his politics agree with yours? Why is it OK to hammer away a President Carter and Clinton call them liars and the like, but not President Bush?

He has no reason in the world, civilly or morally to confess, apologize or even acknowledge these things from his younger days. I did much in college I'll never tell a soul of, and I bet you did also. Hammering at these 2 ex Presidents is very valid because their sins, of commission and omission were committed while in charge of this nation and it's people and defense. n Both were despicable examples of leaders. Clinton used to brag about the astro turf in the bed of his El Camino as a sexual encounter facilitator. I don't hold him to any account for that, as I don't GWB for his escapades. Interestingly, President Bush repented of the sins of his youth, while Clinton magnified his, resulting in an enormous injury to America's youth.

 

[hillclimber1]

IMHO, President Clinton's promiscuous and perverted life has done more harm to America than anyone in history, save Masters and Johnson. And I include Hefner and Flint, both pikers by comparison.

 

[LadyEagle]

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