Time travel theology is simply a nullification of scripture ploy. Scripture tells us the sequence of events, and the time travel folks, say scripture does not mean what it says, since "everything is present tense" with God. Note how at the end of Hebrews, the OT saints have to wait in Abraham's bosom to be made perfect after Christ sacrifices His life on the cross. This nullifiers say nope, they were made perfect before Christ died because everything is present tense with God. Utter nonsense.
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A Perfect Righteousness
- Thread starter KenH
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When are people made "perfect" or are perfected? When they are transferred spiritually into Christ. Same as "given to Christ." Sam as "called into" Christ. Same as "baptized into Christ." Same as "believing into Christ." Only after being made perfect are believers enrolled in the General Assembly.
Romans 9:16 says lost men will desire salvation and do works for salvation. Thus, some lost people are aware they need to have their sins forgiven.
Does the saved person become perfect by imputation? Nope. Born anew believers are perfected (made perfect) after they are set apart in Christ, the sanctifying work of the Spirit.
Ask yourselves why the OT saints have to wait in "Abraham's bosom" until they could be made perfect if God would just declare them perfect. Hebrews 11:39-40 No, the sacrifice of Christ was required, they had to undergo the washing of regeneration.
Does the saved person become perfect by imputation? Nope. Born anew believers are perfected (made perfect) after they are set apart in Christ, the sanctifying work of the Spirit.
Ask yourselves why the OT saints have to wait in "Abraham's bosom" until they could be made perfect if God would just declare them perfect. Hebrews 11:39-40 No, the sacrifice of Christ was required, they had to undergo the washing of regeneration.
KenH
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Isaiah 46:9-10 I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Good Grief, do these verses say God's sequence, given in the inspired text are null and void?
Of course God declares what He will subsequently cause to happen! Everyone knows that. Does that involve time travel? Nope, of course not. These false teachers support false doctrine with false doctrine. Believers are made perfect when transferred into Christ and undergo the washing of regeneration. The OT Saints had to wait in Abraham's bosom until Christ died to be made perfect. See Hebrews 11:39-40, folks. Pay no attention to these nonstop fiction posters.
KenH
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Those who deny imputation, deny the gospel of Christ; they proclaim a false gospel.
David, in the Old Testament, knew about the necessity of imputation:
Psalm 32:1-2
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven,
Whose sin is covered.
Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity,
And in whose spirit there is no guile.
The apostle Paul knew about the necessity of imputation:
Romans 4:6-8
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Non Germane verses posted as if nobody can read. The fiction is God imputes perfect righteousness. No, believers are made perfect when transferred in Christ by the blood of the Lamb.
Now this poster addresses me, and runs from Hebrews 11:39-40. Go figure.
Then the false claim, I say God is time bound. Such is the stock and trade of those who misrepresent God and biblical truth. I say the sequence given by God in our inspired scripture is valid and cannot be nullified by "time travel theology." Pay no attention to these false representations of God's word.
KenH
Well-Known Member
"received not the promise; not that they did not receive the promise of the land of Canaan, for so did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, &c. nor that they did not receive the promise of deliverance and victory, for so did Joshua, the Judges, and others; or that they did not receive the promise of eternal life, for that they all did; but the promise of the Messiah, that is, the Messiah promised: for they had the promise, but not the thing; who is called "the Promise", emphatically, because he is the first and grand promise; and because in him all the promises centre, and are yea, and amen: him the Old Testament saints received not; they, greatly desired to see him in the flesh; they saw him by faith; they believed in him, and rejoiced in the expectation of his coming; but he was not exhibited to them incarnate. Now since these saints so strongly believed, and so cheerfully suffered before Christ came; the apostle's argument is, that much more should the saints now, since Christ is come, and the promises received, go on believing in him, and readily suffering for his sake."
"that they without us should not be made perfect; the Old Testament saints are perfectly justified, perfectly sanctified, and perfectly glorified; but their perfection was not by the law, which made nothing perfect, but by Christ, and through his sacrifice, blood, and righteousness; and so were not made perfect without us; since their sins and ours are expiated together by the same sacrifice; their persons and ours justified together by the same righteousness; they and we make up but one church, and general assembly."
- excerpts from John Gill's Bible commentary on Hebrew 11:39-40
"and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: by Abraham's bosom is meant heaven, a phrase well known to the Jews, by which they commonly expressed the happiness of the future state: of Abraham's happy state they had no doubt; and when they spake of the happiness of another's, they sometimes signified it by going to Abraham."
- excerpt from John Gill's Bible commentary on Luke 16:22
Fiction, no one is saved unless they have been made perfect by the blood of Christ.
Good Grief, the promise not received was to be made perfect!!
Who are those who have been made perfect? Those who God has set apart in Christ. Hebrews 10:14.
The "time travel theology" folks deny the OT saints had to wait in Abraham's bosom until after Christ's sacrifice to be made perfect.
Their doctrine is based on unstudied nonsense, not on Hebrews 11:39-40!
The "time travel theology" folks deny the OT saints had to wait in Abraham's bosom until after Christ's sacrifice to be made perfect.
Their doctrine is based on unstudied nonsense, not on Hebrews 11:39-40!