A POSITIVE Emerging Illustration

[tinytim]

Tim: one is missing and it is very important in the NT: to build up the body. Also, when the Holy Spirit sent Philip to the Ethiopian, the direction were not to find out his needs and meet them, but simply to walk alongside. .

I just noticed this...
building up the body is Discipleship...

Then Philip met the Ethiopian's need to explain the scriptures to him...

I am talking about practical needs...
If someone is hungry, feed them and share Christ.
If there is a community service you can do, do it in the name of Christ...

For instance, one of our missionaries to Bolivia worked along side one of our convention's Area Ministers and we (churches in the WVBC) provided something like 20 solar powered lights to a vilage in Bolivia where there was no electricity.

This was a need in this village.. Now the church has evening services... Bible schools can be taught at night... people are experiencing the love of Christ in a practical way...
And not only is Christ the spiritual light to them, His church provided natural light as well.

I will not apologize for doing missions this way... it helps build relationships with people in order to share the Gospel...

It is more personal, hands on, just like Christ did...
He healed hurts... We are called to too.

 

[dan e.]

I'm not saying we shouldn't evangelize. I have just yet to see any evidence that a church should occupy itself with cleaning barber shops and mowing lawns.

again....bravo. :applause:

 

[4boys4joys]

Welcome back Helen...
I agree our first responsibility is to help those in our church.. but then we have to show how much we care before people will listen.

And 4boys4joys, the reason i listed IFB is because on this board the only ones that complain against RW or PD is IFBs...
If I am wrong, show me... i am not above apologizing..

Show me someone else that is as loud as the IFBS against RW and PDC.
And BTW, I am willing to work along side other denominations to win souls... I notice you are not. Muslims is not a denomination, but a whole different religion... (RCC is too)

How do you know that everyone who complains about RW or PD is IBF. You said in your previous post and I quote :

Quote of tiny tim:

Every purpose (5 of them) are what the church's should be about...
Please, since you are so wise, show me where the church should not:

Evangelize
Worship
Fellowship
Disciple
And Minister to those in need.

And a balanced church will do all 5.
The problem with modern day IFBs (some) is they emphasize Evangelism over the other 5...

You said here that every church should be about this but then you pointed out IBF's. So which one is it churches or IBF's. Any church that is preaching the gospel should do all five and in turn can you show me where all churches but the IBF"S are doing all five of these things for furtherance of the Gospel because that was my point. If we are going to point out fault we need to point it out in all churches regardless of denomination.

I will work along side any denomination that is reflective of the doctinres and teachings of the Bible. I will not work along with any denomination that is ecumenical in it's efforts to bring others to Christ. I did not expect an apology and I will not apologize for not supporting ecumenicalism in any area of sharing the gospel to anyone.

You can label that however you like and now you do not have to assume who I will or will not stand by because I am more than happy to share that if asked. I do not consider Catholic as another denomination I consider that to be a false religion are you saying it is not ? They do not preach salvation according to the Bible. Therefore I see any meeting they have there to be ecumenical and a stumblingblock to the gospel message.

As far as how loud the IBF's are about RW and PD there are others who are just as loud in favor of it. Seems like alot of noise to me. IBF's have the right to be loud just like any other group. Why is the only noise that is undesirable have to come from an IBF ?

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

I do not know what RW is but I believe the PD junk has no value. I am not IFB I am SBC.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

I do not know what RW is but I believe the PD junk has no value. I am not IFB I am SBC.

RW is Rick Warren, head of the PD movement.

 

[ShotGunWillie]

Show me someone else that is as loud as the IFBS against RW and PDC.
And BTW, I am willing to work along side other denominations to win souls... I notice you are not. Muslims is not a denomination, but a whole different religion... (RCC is too)

I am glad you don't stand along side Muslims and Roman Catholics, Rick Warren does, and he claims his teachings found in HIS word (not doctrine, he doesn't like doctrine) can be used for every religion, Muslims are using it, Roman Catholics, Hindus.

By the way, I am Southern Baptist

 

[dan e.]

So why is it that a church would use, or that people are using, the term "emerging"?.... Maybe the better way to put it is why are churches separating themselves from some of the traditional ways of doing things?

I think this is a good way to discover the heart of the issue.

 

[tinytim]

because traditions that don't work should be thrown out..

Sorry, i see some others besides IFBs are opposed to it also...my mistake.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

I am not aware of any traditons in the church that doesn't work . I see some such claims but I see the very same traditions working in many churches. I do see however such being used as an excuse to cater to the lost in the worship services. Pacifying goats more or less.

 

[dan e.]

I am not aware of any traditons in the church that doesn't work . I see some such claims but I see the very same traditions working in many churches. I do see however such being used as an excuse to cater to the lost in the worship services. Pacifying goats more or less.

Of course you're not aware...you Pastor in Florida for crying out loud!

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Of course you're not aware...you Pastor in Florida for crying out loud!

What?

 

[dan e.]

You're in SBC land....and a land that has a lot of older generation people in it (retired people).

lots of tradition.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

You're in SBC land....and a land that has a lot of older generation people in it (retired people).

lots of tradition.

First the churches in Florida are no more elderly than any other state. and the traditions that seem to be condemned as not working are in fact working when applied by spirit filled churches. The problem is not the traditions. The problem is people who are more concerned for themsleves that a lost and dying world.

Traditions have nothing to do with being effective. The Spirit of God can work through any method old or new that is not contrary to the Word of God. The condemnation of traditions is rather silly.

 

[tinytim]

Having a series of services in the spring called "revival" just because old great grandpa started them when nothing gets revived is a vain tradition..

Singing songs that mean nothing to people that sing them just because we "have always sang them" is another one...

Trust me, tradition is just not in FL...
It is everywhere...

 

[tinytim]

Why is the only noise that is undesirable have to come from an IBF ?

I've asked myself this a lot here lately on this board.

 

[christianyouth]

because traditions that don't work should be thrown out..

Sorry, i see some others besides IFBs are opposed to it also...my mistake.

So, we gauge what is right for churches to partake in by how many people it brings into the church? That is pragmatism.

People come to God in times of crisis, right? So, in order to 'win more souls' why don't we start planting bombs in elementary schools?

 

[tinytim]

God promised his word will not come back void...

A church that is truly doing what God wants will grow...
That is the way God designed it.

Helping others is spreading the love of Jesus...

Remember actions speak louder than words.

Wasn't it St. Francis that said, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel, and if necessary use words"?

 

[christianyouth]

God promised his word will not come back void...

A church that is truly doing what God wants will grow...
That is the way God designed it.

Helping others is spreading the love of Jesus...

Remember actions speak louder than words.

Wasn't it St. Francis that said, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel, and if necessary use words"?

Helping others is spreading the love of Jesus? That's a new one.

 

[tinytim]

Helping others is spreading the love of Jesus? That's a new one.

See you learned something.

 

[dan e.]

So, we gauge what is right for churches to partake in by how many people it brings into the church? That is pragmatism.

Nobody came up with that but you, just now. Again, I applaud you. Brilliant. :applause: